Cancelling bounties after bounty placer quits

Domingo wrote:
Bounties are not that common as you think, most of the revenges are done by themself or 2k bounties are set. If somebody set a higher bounty, they are getting killed within 5 minutes.

Not really needed.

The issue here isn't the amount of bounties, it's how they work. Placing a bounty and instantly leaving the server shouldn't be allowed, thus the suggestion. Just because you haven't experienced it yet doesn't mean it's not happening.
If we were both online I'd have a chance to kill him and cancel the bounty. If he's not online I can't really do anything but die (or fight the entire server for over an hour), which obviously isn't in any way fair.

The 1hour revenge time simply doesn't work, because the bounty timer doesn't stop or disappear when the placer leaves the server. So, logically thinking, this would mean I can take revenge the next time I see him online(inside 1 hour period from when we're both online) which can very well be in March because I don't play as often? I assume this isn't really a way to go though, continuing one month old fights, so something obviously needs to change.

chuppy wrote:
The issue here isn't the amount of bounties, it's how they work. Placing a bounty and instantly leaving the server shouldn't be allowed, thus the suggestion. Just because you haven't experienced it yet doesn't mean it's not happening.
If we were both online I'd have a chance to kill him and cancel the bounty. If he's not online I can't really do anything but die (or fight the entire server for over an hour), which obviously isn't in any way fair.

The 1hour revenge time simply doesn't work, because the bounty timer doesn't stop or disappear when the placer leaves the server. So, logically thinking, this would mean I can take revenge the next time I see him online(inside 1 hour period from when we're both online) which can very well be in March because I don't play as often? I assume this isn't really a way to go though, continuing one month old fights, so something obviously needs to change.

Like domingo said, this issue doesnt happen at all and even if you happen to find yourself in these sorts of situations you can just have an admin remove the bounty if you are that concerned.You dont lose anything from dying, not to mention that the economy is getting revamped and that its likely that we will be getting a money reset in 2.0 anyway.Not needed at all.

nxy wrote:
Like domingo said, this issue doesnt happen at all and even if you happen to find yourself in these sorts of situations you can just have an admin remove the bounty if you are that concerned.You dont lose anything from dying, not to mention that the economy is getting revamped and that its likely that we will be getting a money reset in 2.0 anyway.Not needed at all.

Another post coming from you that yet again makes zero sense.

It doesn't happen? It happened to me few days ago and I literally play for 1hour/month, so clearly it DOES happen. Not sure about your logic, but mine says that it's better to fix the issue now, when people aren't abusing it that often, rather than when it becomes viral and uncontrollable.

You don't lose anything on death? You lose money, you lose armor, you lose your car, you get jailed/lose weapons if you were MW when you die, but most importantly you lose time.

Admin can cancel the bounty? Why would I have to depend on someone being around and/or having the will to help me out when it can be fixed in the core? Also why would an admin do that in the first place, if he's unaware of the situation (as in can't confirm what happpened without me providing a video)? It's a terrible idea and clearly won't work.

Economy being broken and reset coming has nothing to do with my suggestion, so again, your post makes no sense.

are you totally delusional or do you have comprehension issues?
Yes it doesnt happen.You are contradicting yourself by saying that you play 1hr/month because that doesnt mean that just because it happened during your 1h it happens to everyone regularly.I play far more than you and I havent ran into a single situation like this.You can also ask other regulars.

No one abuses this system because no one has the time to sit down and think how to find abusable holes in the mcnr script to gain an advantage over someone.I legit have never thought about something like this.Maybe its just you but I can assure you no one really has the nerves to think about something like this and as a matter of fact, you making this post might have singlehandedly made this a bigger problem than it used to be.If it takes no effort to implement something to prevent this?Sure.Go for it.However acknowledge mike is putting his focus elsewhere at the moment if you actually bothered to read his post through.

Oh no i lost about 1k or whatever from my 1mil+ bank account im so upset might leave the server now!You are totally delusional if you think this is an issue to the playerbase in the slightest.If you were a mw who died near a cop, thats on you for making such a mistake.Also if you were a MW you would die regardless of having a hit or not because players are allowed to kill you either way.And also if im a mw who values his weapons and money that much I would just go away from the active city to lose my wanted level.Another totally irrelevant point.

Yes, it takes no effort to scroll up and check if player A quit right after placing a hit on player B.You were an admin yourself too so you know that even if extra info is required you can consult the logs and take action accordingly.If it happened some time ago the admin can also check their chatlog to confirm that the player placed a hit and left.Admins are pretty active and its likely you have at least 1 online in your 1 hour per month gameplay.

What I meant with the economy reset is that even if someone has deep concerns regarding their 2k put to waste they dont have to worry that much since the whole system is getting revamped.

If you want to take revenge this badly on someone you can find 1 million reasons.from provoking them by /robbing or by waiting until they become most wanted, there's plenty of ways to kill someone.if you are that determined to do so then you definitely got issues

I reiterate from my previous posts, quit trying to settle arguments with complete bullshit statements especially if you dont even play the game.You always try to defend your arguments with the weakest points just so you dont agree with others and that yet again is caused by your low playtime and lack of healthy judgement.I also find it quite laughable how you call my posts pointless yet you are the one with nothing left to say when I reply  😉

I said what I had to say, further replies will be completely ignored as not only do I not have the time to waste arguing with you but I also need to maintain staff image.Please consider what I wrote and dont jump into conclusions without comprehending what I said.

Please don't start quarrel with each other. I like you two guys so pls. A staff quarreling with a previous staff, no wtf!

Now to the topic. Not totally cancelling the bounty. In my opinion, if the bounty placer quits right after placing on someone, it must be disabled till the placer joins again.

Not gonna reply again tho

Do you have anything better than "it didn't happen to me so that means it doesn't happen very often" and "you dont lose much on death anyway"? Because those 2 arguments kinda suck compared to mine.

As for your 'provoking people' and making up excuses to kill players..it tells a lot about you and your gameplay, but again it doesn't have anything to do with bounties. I'm not here trying to kill people because I don't like them, I just want to remove the bounty from my head (by killing the bounty placer) so I can continue doing whatever I was doing, without the whole server chasing me. Since I'm not able to do so, because some people decide to quit immediately after placing the bounty, I'm here making a suggestion to fix the issue.

If you can't see the problem in this system (and how it can and is being abused) then I guess we have nothing more to discuss about.

edit: I don't get why (by that i mean I absolutely know why) you hop on my posts trying to contradict me when you don't have any decent arguments to back it all up. Your attitude also isn't very nice and whatever grudge you're holding from other servers you'll need to let it go if you ever plan to be taken seriously here (as in actually becoming a staff member). Gotta act more professional buddy, don't blow your cover on the likes of me like some other players did. Stay strong, we both know how heavy your mask is and how hard you try to keep it from falling down and showing your true self.

What a shit fiesta Mike made it that the bounties stay on you even after you log out until you play for 1hr, because people were sooking that players with a bounty just quit and come back without a bounty on their head. If you don't want to die from a bounty on your head, just run around fly around for 1hr, or not when you're safe to quit just quit and play. Stop sooking over the little things so you can keep your guns and armor and most imporatantly your KDA xD.

Another completely irrelevant point. Issue here isn't about me leaving the server (as you said, timer stops when i disconnect), it's about the bounty placer leaving in order to save his ass but still screwing me over with a bounty so the "fight" continues and i can't do anything to stop it. Mike fixed the issue with one side leaving, it's time to do the same with the other side.
Sure I can accept the unfair death, but then why do we have dm rules here in the first place, if our logic is that you don't lose much on deaths anyway? Connect the dots. It's not a DM server so preventing an unnecesary death is kinda what you're supposed to do. It doesn't matter how much you lose, this tends to be changed a lot and fees will probably be a lot higher in the future.

Placing a bounty and quitting is equivalent to robbing someone and immediately /qing which as you know isn't allowed. Leaving the server in order to stay alive and/or unharmed clearly isn't okay. Even if the bounty stays because he had to leave or whatever, at the very least make it so we're allowed to kill them the next time we see them (even if it's a month from now). Obviously, that would be a problem and your ways of figuring out what's DM and what isn't would be jeopardized, so I stick to my original suggestion which makes a lot more sense.

No.
https://mikescnr.com/forum/index.php/topic,2924.msg11872.html#msg11872

Latz wrote:
No.
https://mikescnr.com/forum/index.php/topic,2924.msg11872.html#msg11872

"I'd suggest bounty stays on player until he dies itsself and won't dissappear after he quits or the placer quits itself."

"or the placer quits itself"

"placer quits"
nvm read it wrong

however, even though it fixed people quitting to avoid death, it also created a problem with placers leaving..people who quit to avoid death can be fixed in other ways, along with this. Such as jailing and/or compensating the player who was nearby and actually attacked the said player.

+1, and make it this way: if the placer quits within, for example, 2 minutes after placing the hit, the bounty gets canceled automatically. This will eliminate the abuse of this system