Again about damage system

In pawn, there is a fuction called OnPlayerTakeDamage() and one of its parameters is "amount" - the amount of damage the player took (health and armour combined). It can be used to tell how many pellets hit the player or vehicle, haven't you tried using it? Because right now, constant sawn offs damage is redicilous, it allows you to do crucial damage and you don't even need to try that hard. So, maybe use this function and make into accunt how much pellets hit the player? If all pellets, then full damage, if few then less damage, it will be fair I think.
Amount of pellets hit = Damage taken/(3.3)

Also suggest to make drive by damage depended on distance, because -7 dmg from M4 at any distance is unfair, while on foot you will only deal 6 or 4 damage if not at close range - and no recoll&less hitbox while in a car makes things even worse, it's always a good idea to stay in a car, while IRL it's not the case.

Get good nigga

ok so by looking at your topic it seems like you want the sawn off to be nerfed

what about we nerf the sawn off and combat shotgun too?

isnt it going to be kinda ''fair'' and ''balanced'' ??

anty. wrote:
ok so by looking at your topic it seems like you want the sawn off to be nerfed

what about we nerf the sawn off and combat shotgun too?

isnt it going to be kinda ''fair'' and ''balanced'' ??

I want to be nerfed all shotgun types, be them more skill requirig and situational, like any other weapon. Damage of shotgun, combat and sawn offs must depend on how much pellets hit target.

siuuu wrote:
love how u cry while ur abusing every little thing to gain any kind of advantage...
just like obsi said... get good

What am I supposed to respond on it? Yes, I try to take advantage in fights, like most of the players. Now I just suggest make shotgun types more balanced.

Obsidian wrote:
Get good nigga

If "good" means always drive-bying or using inbalanced at close range sawn offs, I would rather stay "bad".

Kittycatmur wrote:
I want to be nerfed all shotgun types, be them more skill requirig and situational, like any other weapon. Damage of shotgun, combat and sawn offs must depend on how much pellets hit target.

what skill? you're suggesting the weapons to be practically water guns, it's boring, and unneeded, there's no such skill needed with spaz aiming, since it doesn't require advance movements to be dodging or anything, unlike with sawn-offs, on what you're pretty much lack, hence that's why you're suggesting such baseless suggestions regarding the current system

no from me

howl wrote:
what skill? you're suggesting the weapons to be practically water guns, it's boring, and unneeded, there's no such skill needed with spaz aiming, since it doesn't require advance movements to be dodging or anything, unlike with sawn-offs, on what you're pretty much lack, hence that's why you're suggesting such baseless suggestions regarding the current system

no from me

Everythings wrong
I am not suggesting making sawn offs water guns. I still don't mind if it can take 100hp if all pellets hit, but I want you to aim good to make this damage, not just hitting anywhere near target.
Combat spaz requires very good skill when you use it on close range. Aiming with it when your target is running near you is pretty hard and you need to be able to hit target with each shot to make fair damage (while sawn offs user won't really need to aim since their spread is greater, and while realoading you just pray and spray with tecs/uzis). Just try using combats shotgun for some time instead of sawn offs and you will eventually stop calling it unskilled OP weapon and will get back to the sawn offs.
So called "dodging", pressing WASD doesn't require any skill, be reasonable.
Why no one cares about deagle being useless due to overpowering by combat types? Deagle is the most used weapon outside mcr server, but Mike made shotgun types so OP, that nobody uses it here, only some players to make "nice pro kills".

Kittycatmur wrote:
Everythings wrong
I am not suggesting making sawn offs water guns. I still don't mind if it can take 100hp if all pellets hit, but I want you to aim good to make this damage, not just hitting anywhere near target.
Combat spaz requires very good skill when you use it on close range. Aiming with it when your target is running near you is pretty hard and you need to be able to hit target with each shot to make fair damage (while sawn offs user won't really need to aim since their spread is greater, and while realoading you just pray and spray with tecs/uzis). Just try using combats shotgun for some time instead of sawn offs and you will eventually stop calling it unskilled OP weapon and will get back to the sawn offs.
So called "dodging", pressing WASD doesn't require any skill, be reasonable.
Why no one cares about deagle being useless due to overpowering by combat types? Deagle is the most used weapon outside mcr server, but Mike made shotgun types so OP, that nobody uses it here, only some players to make "nice pro kills".

I've played more than you, and I'm more certain about spaz being such a hotheaded weapon with 0 skill, back before you didn't exist, most people were overusing it and kept distance between others just because it had unbalanced damaged, so pretty much the game was unplayable at that moment.

People were using lame weapons since they were terribly scripted at that moment, so the gameplay was pretty much inverted at that moment, you've had people using 9mm, ak47, mp5, spaz, and other garbage weapons that were absolute nonsense.

sa-mp in these centuries is different, and everyone wants to enjoy sawn-offs

howl wrote:
I've played more than you, and I'm more certain about spaz being such a hotheaded weapon with 0 skill, back before you didn't exist, most people were overusing it and kept distance between others just because it had unbalanced damaged, so pretty much the game was unplayable at that moment.

People were using lame weapons since they were terribly scripted at that moment, so the gameplay was pretty much inverted at that moment, you've had people using 9mm, ak47, mp5, spaz, and other garbage weapons that were absolute nonsense.

sa-mp in these centuries is different, and everyone wants to enjoy sawn-offs

Everyone want to enjoy sawn offs because it's OP unskilled weapon, so goes for the drive bys. Combat shotgun is not such weapon, that's why it's less commonly used than sawns and cars. My point is that pellets shoould be added into account to calculate result damage. It's just logic thing and it works like this anywhere, from single player, to any other samp server, and it doesn't necessarily mean your beloved sawn offs will become useless, it eventually might become even better in the right skilled hands. The only reason why Mike didn't add pellets into account is because he didn't know how to [1] – and I gave him an idea. By the way, I'm disappointed to see a Russian player being not able to use pro weaps and stick to sawn offs, usually Russians are good at deagle, sniper, m4 and combat. What a shame, no wonder you only play on MCR.
[1] https://mikescnr.com/forum/index.php/topic,9785.0.html

It is pretty much balanced i'd say.

Considering that many people aren't even proficient with sawns and that game is too old to include pellets as you say, nothing should and can be changed anyways. Waste of time suggestion.

Red_DragoN wrote:
It is pretty much balanced i'd say.

Considering that many people aren't even proficient with sawns and that game is too old to include pellets as you say, nothing should and can be changed anyways. Waste of time suggestion.

Too old to include pellets? Did you even play this game outside mcr? At least singplayer? What bullshit
If balanced, go try play without shotguns

siuuu wrote:
wow atleast ur honest about using bugs to gain advantage.....

What is a bug though?
It's an exploit in the game mechanics that gives you advantage if you abuse it. Exploit is something that is not intended by developers, it exists due to errors in codes or physic designs.
Most players switch to other weapon and then immediately back to initial weapon when few bullets remain in the magazine. Its performed to imminently full up magazine and avoid reloading animation. Is this a bug? Clearly is, no way rockstar initially made it.
Everyone switches weapon to tec or uzi while their sawn offs are being reloaded. It allows to not to spend time on reloading animation and do shooting, after a second of shooting uzis their sawn offs are ready to shoot again and they shoot it. They abuse it. They abuse a bug.
Everyone jumps to move faster. Sprintrun is intended to move fast, not jumping, this is another thing that developers failed to fix. And we use it, to take advantage of this exploit.
When being burnt 🔥 by molotov, you can jump to avoid being damaged by fire. Why would you not take damage when on fire by just simply jumping? This is not how physics intended to work. This is a bug. Everyone abuses it.
You can immediately stop animation after shooting deagle by pressing crouch key. I doubt developers intended this. Bug too, no matter what adms say.
There is no official list of bugs that are allowed. Rules clearly state that all bugs and exploits are forbidden. Yet, admins don't punish for using some bugs, they decide what is allowed by using logic that only they know, though the rules clearly state that all bugs are not allowed... This leads to the conclusion that even though adms won't punish you, you are still all rule breakers.
If you want accuse me for using bugs, make sure you are 100% clean yourself. Want a fair play, start with yourself? For instance, I am against drive by, and I never use cars to hit players, stand for what you say not by words, but by actions too, remove all bugs from your playstyle and I promise i will respect you so much, I won't abuse any kind of bug against you ever

siuuu wrote:
me and u both know what im talking about so stop prentending that u dont know shit.. explain why on my vid that i posted why are u lower than  what u have shown https://youtu.be/XimhL16vuyY https://files.fm/f/f5cjzsay7
pls elaborate on that buddy and then talk.
and dont even talk about me we are not in the same league and what bugs do i abuse ? even my enemies in here know that i dont abuse any kind of bug.

I am lower than what i shown because of some kind of bugs, you if I remember called it a slide bug. Want me punished – report me In the corresponding section (which you already did and was given answer from the moderator but you can try again if you feel unsatisfied?).
Are you sure you don't use any bugs? Not a single one from what I mentioned in the message above?

siuuu wrote:
buddy been playing a server that allowed every kind of bug...i got multiple warnings and bans for bug abusing but ive stopped for ever since ive got unbanned from a 6 month ban....
i mean ive told u about 100 times stop bunny humpping and this slide bug ur abusing everytime i come after u. tbh u should be grateful that ive given u multiple chances to stop but nevertheless ur still doing it

Wrong. Lier. What a shame. If you watch my video, you will see yourself being lower than on your video. You seem to use the same bug.