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Enough glitching rules, add solutions.

AWPerHanD Enforcer · 116 posts
Alex184 wrote:
  Instead of punishing the hell out of players who do 2 shooting or c bug cause they are used to it and it is kinda hard to stop it, there shall be a switch reload animation on sawn off shotgun or a "Don't 2-shoot" warning that makes the player freeze, and whenever a player presses C after shooting with deagle/normal shotgun/sniper should receive a C bug warning.

This current "Don't C-bug" script is nuts, all it does is bug the hell out of combat shotgun, which is annoying and makes the weapon rarely used.

Making the C-bug detection based on fire rate is also a mistake, as c bug is when you press C after shooting, no when you press C then shoot again.


https://mikescnr.com/forum/index.php/topic,6472.0.html

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AWPerHanD Enforcer · 116 posts
Alex184 wrote:
The reason of this false C bug you are talking about is that Mike made the script of the c bug detector based on the rate of fire, instead of making ot trigger when pressing C right after shooting.


Yeah, and it sucks. It is making the combat shotgun rarely to use

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hidden9685 Donator · 27 posts
what if we just get a reload anim for sawn like past not remove the double to one sawn-off

and ye for c-bug it will be really better if it detects the trigging of c+fire
howl Ex-Staff · 1,320 posts
Alex184 wrote:
The whole point is to stop punishing the players who mistakenly does something. And add a system that is good for both, staff and the players, I believe only those who do not support this suggestion are the ones who like to c bug or 2 shoot in low profile.


I'm not supporting ideas that's costing admin's jobs.

Again, you should stick to complaining players more often
chuppy Ex-Staff · 165 posts
hidden9685 wrote:and ye for c-bug it will be really better if it detects the trigging of c+fire
there are normal people around who crouch and shoot so this isn't a solution

Anti cbug isn't working properly, not only cos of the bug you mention but because it doesn't detect everything. You're still able to do 1cbug whenever you want, and the warning won't ever pop. So you may as well remove it, since you already have a rule and it's easy to record/post a few second clip.

No we don't need another anti 2shot script, or a forced reload or anything like that. Rules are clear now (even though they change every 2 weeks, but let's hope it stays like this for a while), you can't abuse bugs so you don't need a script to stop you. If you're used to it and you don't want to lose your "skill" stop using deagle on this server. If you do it once by mistake (it actually can happen, when someone tries to crouch for better aim) you don't really need to be punished and you shouldn't be. However if that mistake keeps happening again and again you clearly are doing it on purpose and it's entirely your fault for whatever happens next.
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Latz wrote:
The only thing I could suggest is to remove the double sawn-off, and leave only one hand sawn off. Players are used to this since years, and couldn't stop it without the removal of double sawn off(pov), otherwise our punishments against 2sawn off abusers will never finish.


omg no pls I saw it on a big server. I really love sawn off cuz I'm practised with them. Not with shotgun and spas shit
Parzival Ex-Staff · 643 posts
Very nice suggestion, I am agreeing
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_.please_delete Original Gangster · 586 posts
chuppy wrote:
there are normal people around who crouch and shoot so this isn't a solution

Anti cbug isn't working properly, not only cos of the bug you mention but because it doesn't detect everything. You're still able to do 1cbug whenever you want, and the warning won't ever pop. So you may as well remove it, since you already have a rule and it's easy to record/post a few second clip.

No we don't need another anti 2shot script, or a forced reload or anything like that. Rules are clear now (even though they change every 2 weeks, but let's hope it stays like this for a while), you can't abuse bugs so you don't need a script to stop you. If you're used to it and you don't want to lose your "skill" stop using deagle on this server. If you do it once by mistake (it actually can happen, when someone tries to crouch for better aim) you don't really need to be punished and you shouldn't be. However if that mistake keeps happening again and again you clearly are doing it on purpose and it's entirely your fault for whatever happens next.
What about the new players who don't know how to report? What about the low end PC players who can't record? What about removing a thorn from the staff side and instead of letting them be concerned about c bug and 2 shooting reports, they just focus on other important reports such as hacking?  What about using some common sense? Why is this suggestion bad?

Whoever doesn't support this suggestion I am sure he is doing something behind the scenes, I have no clue why would somone say no to something that will limit the unfair gameplay, and in the same time save the staff's time for better things.
chuppy Ex-Staff · 165 posts
You were new once, how did you figure out what's allowed and what's not? New players can read the rules, new players get warnings before actual punishments (lets pretend infractions are actual punishments). New players aren't the issue here.

If you can't record a 15 year old game (lol) then you can always use ingame report system so admins can spectate them. Sure they missed the bug abuse done on you, but those players will eventually do the same to someone else and get caught doing so.

Those are the rules it's not really an extra job. It doesn't take a scientist to spot and deal with cbug and 2shot (they are obvious and there's only one way of doing them), while for actual cheats it takes quite a while to confirm because samp is buggy as fuck. 2 second clip of you pressing c with deagle isn't a ton of work, and no one is forcing every single one of them to deal with forum complaints every day. Everyone contributes what they can, when they can.

I don't support the suggestion mainly because anti cbug isnt functioning properly and we don't really need another script that would do the same. If it were perfect then sure, but reality is it won't. Switching weapons would probably cause a number of false positives and you would end up begging for it to be removed. Punishments work well, and we don't need to rely on anything else.
_.please_delete Original Gangster · 586 posts
chuppy wrote:
I don't support the suggestion mainly because anti cbug isnt functioning properly and we don't really need another script that would do the same. If it were perfect then sure, but reality is it won't. Switching weapons would probably cause a number of false positives and you would end up begging for it to be removed. Punishments work well, and we don't need to rely on anything else.
Well the script needs to be done perfectly just like the slide bug detector,  I have seen the c bug and 2 shoot detector script on so many servers, they all look pretty simple, just don't press C after shooting sniper and deagle, and don't shoot with sawn off, switch guns then switch back to it in less than like 4 seconds.
Ahsoka_Tano Donator · 228 posts
Yeah why not, that combat shotgun Bug is very annoying
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Mike Owner · 4,026 posts
I have spent a lot of time trying to get the c-bug detection right - it's very difficult, believe me. I'm fed up with having to spend my limited development time fixing glitches and exploits. If people perform these glitches and exploits they get punished, pure and simple.

But I will look at the c-bug combat shotgun thing..
AWPerHanD Enforcer · 116 posts
Mike wrote:
I have spent a lot of time trying to get the c-bug detection right - it's very difficult, believe me. I'm fed up with having to spend my limited development time fixing glitches and exploits. If people perform these glitches and exploits they get punished, pure and simple.

But I will look at the c-bug combat shotgun thing..


Thank you.

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Bear. Ex-Staff · 347 posts
Latz wrote:
The only thing I could suggest is to remove the double sawn-off, and leave only one hand sawn off. Players are used to this since years, and couldn't stop it without the removal of double sawn off(pov), otherwise our punishments against 2sawn off abusers will never finish.
u are just fucking up the classic cnr style with sawns and uzi