cbug

Deja Vu . You remind me ss_striker

If staff keeps changing rules, no shit, people will have no clue whats allowed, whats not. It used to be forbidden, then allowed, then back forbidden, for god sake, just state it in rules. Forcing people to reload their weapons, ofc will force people to abuse bugs to avoid them.
Totally agreeing with chupps, its a shit-show right now. Staff should be mentors to non-staff team, I learnt it the other way.

What I personally think about this topic, is what you always mention in there: abuse, abuse, this game is not legit, people use scripts, scripts, scripts to avoid stuff, they work for them, etc etc.

This game was released in 2004, it's the oldest game we are still playing in 2020, let's forget the fact, that every bug you experience, has to be avoid or either abused, it's the game itself's theme, you can't complain about it anymore, nobody is willing to be fixing these bugs, and release a "PC anniversary" for it. People are just trying to make the game a little bit easier for them by using these stuff, it's not really a big deal, you can't always look out for the fixes in order to actually dig through the ACTUAL developer code, so you can fix the "cbug, 2shot", and other common bugs what are generally inside this game's self. People are not always obliged to be complying for everything what you say, they'll be always finding out the way to be avoiding it, using bugs, abusing animations, etc. Not to mention that me - myself, I am sometimes abusing anything, but I'm also pointing out for everyone especially the staff members (they are also the regular players, and not always clean, but it's just how the game is designed, so you should just get over it).

Do not exploit bugs or glitches, either in GTA, SA-MP or this server
Sometimes bugs occur which can give you an advantage over other players. Knowingly exploiting these is not allowed and players will have their illegitimate cash/score removed and received an infraction.

Do not share knowledge of exploitable bugs or glitches. Report them to the relevant parties (SA-MP or server developers).

There's nothing to "get over" here. Rules are here for a reason and they're supposed to be followed. However, as I mentioned in my original post, some staff members are ignoring it and some are even abusing it themselves. This makes the whole team look unprofessional and it needs to be fixed, either by changing/editing the rules so it's publicly known that abusing bugs is okay OR by starting to take actions against players and staff members who abuse bugs.

It's entirely your choice (Mike and/or M3E6) what you want this server to be, but something needs changing because this isn't working out - you can't keep saying one thing and then do something completely opposite. You also can't blame the script for everything, it's exactly why you have rules to fill in the gaps.

EDIT: if we are indeed okay with abusing bugs that your script doesn't detect, does that mean I can also go around ninjajacking players? I can call it a game feature too, just like cbug.

Bump,

I recently re-posted another topic regarding cbug to ask about players' opinions regarding it, I do well know that M3E6 lastly decided to publicly put an allow to "cbug" ever since Mike invented reload system animation which no one asked for to enhance combat fights a little bit more.

chuppy wrote:
if we are indeed okay with abusing bugs that your script doesn't detect, does that mean I can also go around ninjajacking players? I can call it a game feature too, just like cbug.

If we're talking about the difference between cbug and ninjajack's powers - they have a HUGE difference, since ninjajack is technically a bug where you just insta kill someone, and cbug is an animation cancelling to your deagle.

nonea wrote:
If we're talking about the difference between cbug and ninjajack's powers - they have a HUGE difference, since ninjajack is technically a bug where you just insta kill someone, and cbug is an animation cancelling to your deagle.

You literally uploaded a video of you cbugging with rifle and one-shot killing players in moving vehicles. How can you call cbug a minor thing after that? It's a problem, especially when the developer is scripting fixes for every god damn thing people abused (instead of making it a rule, and using the 30admins to fix the problem and not wasting time scripting a fix which doesnt even entirely fix it)..hell even the reloading was over-powered in his eyes, even though no one ever bitched about it.

If this gameplay is fine with you, simply undo everything else you've spent your time on and let's have proper dirty fighting. You can't have both, so just choose what you want this server to be already.

yeah, 30 admins to monitor everyone who are complaining for "unarmed attack", "dmed me", "cophunt" instead of bringing along the recorder, man up, and file a legit complaint.

as for cbug, hey, it's a new day, new update, aim sway is removed, no more insta headshot kills.

so, the people should be fine with cbug as long as we have reload animation scripted, because no one asked for it, nor it brings any fairness nor any good, it just breaks the whole concept of fighting.

nonea wrote:
so, the people should be fine with cbug as long as we have reload animation scripted, because no one asked for it, nor it brings any fairness nor any good, it just breaks the whole concept of fighting.

Look at the concept of real life you couldnt pull pistol and shoot 3 bullets then  when you take your rifle too  burst more bullets and excpect your pistol to have full clip obviously it should reload. Its a game where you can avoid many things like the reload anim or anything but c-bug , c-bug its a bug which is not a real life thing as i may  say completely a different level of abuse.

nonea wrote:
yeah, 30 admins to monitor everyone who are complaining for "unarmed attack", "dmed me", "cophunt" instead of bringing along the recorder, man up, and file a legit complaint.

As i said those are also real life things and thats why are reported and ppl cant really record all the time and lose time to upload videos btw even if its video recorded http://mikescnr.com/forum/index.php/topic,4556.msg20359.html#msg20359 filling a complaint  and getting dissmised while the player who reported lost like 2hrs recording the things and uploading the videos not to mention not playing or when playing have huge packet loss or ping over 500 is kinda annoying

I'm sorry? But, are we playing real life/roleplay server?

Your opinion is irrelevant to what we're talking about.

Bringing IRL stuff into game is never gonna work. Real life is real life and game is game, both are separated things.

With the new update, the reloading animation prevents the 2-2 sawns shots and cbug is disabled by the system.
As stated by the rules: "Do not exploit bugs or glitches, either in GTA, SA-MP or this server" - Mike has added features that prevent from doing those things.
And it's there for a reason, cbug and 2-2 are not allowed.

Since the start/launch of the community we already discussed and talked about it, we came up to the conclusion that we want a fair game for everyone, and right now it is.
MCNR is a community that aims to be balanced and fair for everyone and give a chance for every player.
There are many things and bugs that can be abused against other players, which give them a huge advantage over other players.

I heard that the previous CM allowed cbug, idk if that's true or not, but as of now, it's not.
And if someone bypasses the system, he will be punished, if he's an admin or a player, that doesn't really matter - actions will be taken.

You can still cbugging for 1-2 times, but still you can get detected by the anticheat for cbugging, it's not a big deal to be complaint around for "cbugging"..unless they using cbugging cleo file..well i haven't see someone using it yet, but i'm pretty sure if they using it, they will just fuck them own up on their gta

it's not the anti-cheat that prevents it, it's the script..however you are still able to do 2-3 which is more than enough to gain advantage.

Megatron wrote:
I heard that the previous CM allowed cbug, idk if that's true or not, but as of now, it's not.
And if someone bypasses the system, he will be punished, if he's an admin or a player, that doesn't really matter - actions will be taken.

Xx_Clara_Bunny_xX wrote:
You can still cbugging for 1-2 time

Make up your mind already.

I don't know why c-bug has been the hottest topic of MCNR since launch. My stance on it has been made clear many times - I don't want people to be using any sort of exploits to gain an advantage over players that want to play the game without exploits. No c-bug, no g-bug, no two-shot, no quick relog switching etc.

If a system is in place to prevent you from doing something and you circumvent or even mitigate that, you are breaking a rule, and then it is up to admins to infract etc. If there are admins using c-bug etc. then submit a staff complaint. If you see someone using c-bug in-game or even better on a video they post, report them!

It's very hard to detect c-bugging in the script without interfering with non-cbug gameplay. At the minute it simply measures the time between shots. It used to be based on the sprint/crouch key but it would accuse players of c-bugging all the time. I don't personally c-bug and never have and never will because it's ridiculous, so testing if it works is kinda hard for me.

Is there anything else to say?

The issue here is admins either don't know that or they don't agree with you so they make up their own rules without you even knowing. You can see their videos on the video section, you can see them dismissing complaints because they do it themselves and you also have a Manager here saying it's okay to cbug above (even after Megatron said it isn't).

It's an issue, even though it's super clear in the rules and shouldn't even be in question, but i guess you guys should alert everyone inside the team because half the team saying one thing and the other half saying opposite doesn't really work.