disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2

[RavenGuard69]

the fucking title says it all

[quail]

Do you really want so?
When reload system was, all the people were complaining,
Now it's removed, and you suggest to disallow it, due to some people knows how to deal well with this weapon after remove the reload
After all, i think "removing reload" was and it's the best choice, -1

[Flyburger]

Do you really want so?
When reload system was, all the people were complaining,
Now it's removed, and you suggest to disallow it, due to some people knows how to deal well with this weapon after remove the reload
After all, i think "removing reload" was and it's the best choice, -1

bro please read, he suggested to disallow 2 shot, not enable weapon reload animation back

[RavenGuard69]

bro please read, he suggested to disallow 2 shot, not enable weapon reload animation back

[Ahsoka_Tano]

Sawn off into the head, and your health and armor is down.
I agree 2 shot should be disabled.

[Parzival]

i support . too op .

[chuppy]

2shot/cbug wasn't allowed before the reload animation thingy happened in january/february, i don't get why it's suddenly a thing now..as far as i've seen no one ever asked for it and people are constantly bitching about it.

you don't need a script to prevent abuse, just make it a rule..it's clearly easy to spot and recording would be only a few seconds long.

[howl]

you don't need a script to prevent abuse, just make it a rule..it's clearly easy to spot and recording would be only a few seconds long.

cleverly pointing out the same thing on every suggestion

[Domingo]

2shot/cbug wasn't allowed before the reload animation thingy happened in january/february, i don't get why it's suddenly a thing now..as far as i've seen no one ever asked for it and people are constantly bitching about it.

you don't need a script to prevent abuse, just make it a rule..it's clearly easy to spot and recording would be only a few seconds long.

Okay we don't need an anti-cheat system, it's clearly easy to spot airbreak and recording would be only a few seconds long. That would be just a waste of time to record every single gameplay so you can catch 2shot abusers. Most of the new players would say "if it's not allowed, disable it".

-1, I really like the 2shot, it can create a difference if you're outmatched in a battle.

anticheat has nothing to do with the cbug script that exists (which doesn't work properly, either intentionally or not - exactly why i added the thing lofi quoted) so you may wanna edit that.
giving an example and making a joke about your comment

if you spend your time catching and recording rulebreakers just so an admin gives them 2 infraction points i do feel sorry for you.
actually love the way you keep trying to insult people in a hidden way, feel free to search my forum posts (you may wanna edit that comment)

[chuppy]

anticheat has nothing to do with the cbug script that exists (which doesn't work properly, either intentionally or not - exactly why i added the thing lofi quoted) so you may wanna edit that.

if you spend your time catching and recording rulebreakers just so an admin gives them 2 infraction points i do feel sorry for you.

[Latz]

Reviving. Disable 2sawn off shotguns, they are overpowered, I don't see difference between them and minigun though.

[Achilles_]

Reviving. Disable 2sawn off shotguns, they are overpowered, I don't see difference between them and minigun though.

No difference, what?

[SausageParty]

+1

2 shots gay

[typtics]

+1

Very annoying someone abusing that

[Sasino97]

I totally agree.
The reload animation was bad, but there needs to be a rule that
completely disallows players from abusing the "2-shot" bug when
using double sawn-off shotguns.

It makes no sense that you can't press C one single time to stop the
desert eagle animation faster, but you can reload your shotguns
indefinitely by just switching them rapidly.

This video shows how damaging it is:

Imagine in real life a double barreled semi-auto machine-shotgun... WTF is that

[Aaliyah]

I totally agree.
The reload animation was bad, but there needs to be a rule that
completely disallows players from abusing the "2-shot" bug when
using double sawn-off shotguns.

It makes no sense that you can't press C one single time to stop the
desert eagle animation faster, but you can reload your shotguns
indefinitely by just switching them rapidly.

This video shows how damaging it is:

Imagine in real life a double barreled semi-auto machine-shotgun... WTF is that

First of all your video is private. And yes it must be disallowed because people starts crying when they got killed by it. am i right?

[Masteroid]

Imagine in real life a double barreled semi-auto machine-shotgun... WTF is that

Yes we call that holding an AA-12 in each hand.

+1 to suggestion, its broken tbh.

[Latz]

No difference, what?

What? No difference. Both have practically the same effects, both are overpowered. 2shoots are more likely supporting DM.
Switching your weapon to re-fill your clip is a bug, as there's a missing variable in the game that should store the clip count. Along with the fact that you can put your weapon switch into a "queue" so that the action (the game switches the weapon automatically) happens after a shot is finished, proving that it's even more of a bug for the sawn off's.
I have seen it so many times, when players just reload their sawn off out of nowhere, then suddenly dealing more damage than an asteroid hitting earth, because of this, just what Sasino has said is completely correct.

[Sasino97]

First of all your video is private. And yes it must be disallowed because people starts crying when they got killed by it. am i right?

My bad, now it's public.
And no, it's not just you, I used your clip as an example but many players abuse it.

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In my opinion, a simple script that holsters the weapon and warns the player if it detects they are abusing it (by counting the number of shots in a certain amount of time) would be good.

[abeabe]

"2 Shots" is encouraging players to only use sawn off, Unhealthy to the game.

[lilrucci]

+1 .Too OP

[ranja]

1. Either squeeze in a type of an anti-system like C-Bug detector, which fully stops the player's ability to move for a second and add a displayed message of what has happened ("DON'T C-BUG!" // "DON'T 2-SHOT!").

2. Or add an exception in the reload animation system specifically targeting the "Sawn-off Shotgun" by denying a possibility for the player, whose changing their weapons from Sawns and back to Sawns, to succeed in a classic 2-shot strat.

+1

[Sasino97]

1. Either squeeze in a type of an anti-system like C-Bug detector, which fully stops the player's ability to move for a second and add a displayed message of what has happened ("DON'T C-BUG!" // "DON'T 2-SHOT!").

2. Or add an exception in the reload animation system specifically targeting the "Sawn-off Shotgun" by denying a possibility for the player, whose changing their weapons from Sawns and back to Sawns, to succeed in a classic 2-shot strat.

+1

In my opinion #1 is the best solution, so that it's similar to what you get when you C-bug.

[GtaFreak]

either nerf sawn off damage
or
enable reload anim for sawn off (like the old system, but only for this weapon)

[Eldy.]

nerf the sawn damage. 20 damage per full hit of a single shot, 80 4 shots, 10 shots to kill with 200 armour. Just a example tho, you can do others too.

[M.8.N_]

+1
i dont like 2shots they just abusing it.

[cynosy]

Why nerf sawnoffs? They were like paintball guns once they already got nerfed, now they are back to normal. Just make it so that if this suggestion gets implemented, then if you see someone 2shotting, record it, post it on forums, simple.

[Sasino97]

I'm against nerfing the sawed off shotgun, but everyone can clearly see that the 2-shot bug is excessively advantageous

[RavenGuard69]

Having a rule is much more powerful than adding reload anims

[howl]

2shot is allowed, but cbug is not

[Sasino97]

2shot is allowed, but cbug is not

Lol my point.
Stopping the desert eagle shooting animation quickly one time is a serious offense that gets you admin jail, losing all your guns, and an infraction point, but having cartridges load magically in your shotguns is ok.

[Flyburger]

@Mike

[howl]

Lol my point.
Stopping the desert eagle shooting animation quickly one time is a serious offense that gets you admin jail, losing all your guns, and an infraction point, but having cartridges load magically in your shotguns is ok.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure 2shot is much more big of a deal than cbug, because it makes it faster for fights to end while cbug is just a little quickshot to be frankly, hence you have anti-rapid script applied to it.

[Dudesdog]

Wow this post has been open forever.. honestly most are against two shot I think but a discord public vote on whether to keep or remove might be the best option?

[Rose]

I kinda like 2shots. It makes up for my lack of fighting skills. But since the majority are against it, it's best to disallow it like c-bug. Since both are bugs. Technically.

[[P]atchy[MAIN]]

  WHY NOT?! today I got killed by many cows like around 50+ times!!!! Even some newbie abused it to kill me. I don't even know how to do it...  Actually, all of the words should be with caps lock on...

+infinite

[RedX]

Yes remove that destructive shit

[51ck51ck]

+1 2 shots way too overpowered

[xev]

2shot is allowed, but cbug is not

GOT 6  infractions for 1 tap fml #justice4onetap #allow1tap

[GtaFreak]

yeah for real, like others have stated, 2-shot is allowed but c-bug is not?

Just remove 2 shot, it's an un-intended bug/exploit of the game that was an oversight to begin with.

Such a strong close quarters dueling weapon, allowing people to spam it with no reload anim is just dumb, a lot of close range fights turn into "better 2 shot" wins.

Still, even with it being allowed at the moment on the server, I don't do it, why? Cause i don't exploit bugs / exploits when deathmatching, I take the beating like a man and then cry aimbot in /report

[[P]atchy[MAIN]]

yeah for real, like others have stated, 2-shot is allowed but c-bug is not?

Just remove 2 shot, it's an un-intended bug/exploit of the game that was an oversight to begin with.

Such a strong close quarters dueling weapon, allowing people to spam it with no reload anim is just dumb, a lot of close range fights turn into "better 2 shot" wins.

Still, even with it being allowed at the moment on the server, I don't do it, why? Cause i don't exploit bugs / exploits when deathmatching, I take the beating like a man and then cry aimbot in /report

He he for two shot abuse, the biggest server (can't tell its name), removed sawn off's dual wield xDDD

I'm thinking why the hell Mike not implementing this rule? He also loves two shot?    I can't even c bug and 2 shot properly tho I'm newbie in SA started SA in December 2019.

[DRAG0NFURY]

I'd like to point out that 2shotting and cbugging require skill to learn but its true that once you get the hang of it it becomes pretty unfair to fight against.
Cbugging is totally unfair because it deals so much damage and you arent supposed to shoot it rapidly its literally cheating imo so i can see why its not allowed
2shotting doesnt deal as much damage and theres a slight delay between shots, its great if you have good accuracy but its really punishing if your aim is bad so im pretty neutral on this one to be honest.

[Ahsoka_Tano]

So when will this be a thing?

[RedZ]

-1

[GtaFreak]

hmm yes intelligent man above me, putting -1 without reason, basically a post farm.

[AWPerHanD]

+1 ('cuz I'm noob xD)

[legend]

It takes long term practice to achieve maximum speed and accuracy with 2-shot, same as cbug.
Make 2-shot prevetion or Mike should state a rule against. Its same c-bug, but less deadlier.
If c-bug is completly forbidden, why is still a thing, its so dumb.
I do support its removal, it grants unfair advantage against people who have no clue how to do it even.

[[P]atchy[MAIN]]

It takes long term practice to achieve maximum speed and accuracy with 2-shot, same as cbug.
Make 2-shot prevetion or Mike should state a rule against. Its same c-bug, but less deadlier.
If c-bug is completly forbidden, why is still a thing, its so dumb.
I do support its removal, it grants unfair advantage against people who have no clue how to do it even.

All I think after seeing the in-game rules is that this topic shouldn't even be needed to be created.

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[Polasky21]

+1

No reason needed to allow this, its just a bug and the ones that use that are bug abusers.

[Masteroid]

+1.
Its getting too annoying tbh. Most fights are just "I can switch weapons faster than you,now die."
Its even more annoying when you aren't able to 2-shot consistently meanwhile the other guy just switches and shoots like he has a macro.

[renzy]

Not everyone is good at 2shots.
-1

[Fateh]

+1.
Its getting too annoying tbh. Most fights are just "I can switch weapons faster than you,now die."
Its even more annoying when you aren't able to 2-shot consistently meanwhile the other guy just switches and shoots like he has a macro.

[sousage]

-1

DO NOT +1 -1 POST - Use the voting system, explained here

Forum warned.

[legend]

Mike has officially stated, that 2-shot is against the rules.