Rule change about killing MW

[stacJ]

I was just wondering that why is it now disallowed to kill Most Wanted?. I know I'm a bit inactive but on other hand I'm pretty sure that the main and worst problem of the server at the moment was very very high number of cops. Everyone was demanding to find out a way to balance this, none asked for this new rule that you should not be allowed to kill a MW as it was one of the reason most of the players wont get bored playing MCNR. Beside of doing something that is highly requested (somehow balance cops), this new rule was added that you aren't allowed to kill Most Wanted anymore which in my opinion is a very bad idea.

Removing this rule was not really required or necessary as it keeps a player interest to stay in the server. Your thoughts ?

[renzy]

You said that you’re inactive. What do you think of new players that try to make money, they get Most Wanted, and old/DM players go and kill them? They are the ones complaining the most about this rule since the first time getting killed for this reason. And i think it was necessary, with this rule in power the new player they might be weak in dm, and this thing makes them quit the server and never come back. So in my opinion this change was a good choice. It would be better to be the same for the cops aswell.

so in that case what should old players do? Leave the server cuz of boredom?
You're just sayin that, if a player is bad we should not kill him
makes 0 sense

[stacJ]

You're just sayin that, if a player is bad we should not kill him

Yea exactly it's not our problem if someone's bad enough. They'll eventually get used to it and survive like everyone did, it's not a big deal

[$LOTH]

 

[howl]

Makes 0 sense? Does it looks like a DM server or Cops and Robbers? You got some things to do, go rob something, you got missions aswell. Why do you need to kill other players? The name it clearly says ‘Cops and Robbers’ not ‘DeathMatch’ so if you think its a DM server, you should try another one.

so this is what you've been doing for the past few days ago? hunting me down everytime you see me as red, and then you go around advising people to do missions, fish, and rob? you're so full of shit lmao

[renzy]

Makes 0 sense? Does it looks like a DM server or Cops and Robbers? You got some things to do, go rob something, you got missions aswell. Why do you need to kill other players? The name it clearly says ‘Cops and Robbers’ not ‘DeathMatch’ so if you think its a DM server, you should try another one.

ofcourse it's not a DM server, but do you disagree that things like Crew Wars or Hunting MW which are based on the term 'deathmatch' is the main reason server is still alive. Remove the thing 'DM' from the server, who'll play it then ? So you can't just say that it isnt a DM server etc blah blah

[Kanarimortem]

ofcourse it's not a DM server, but do you disagree that things like Crew Wars or Hunting MW which are based on the term 'deathmatch' is the main reason server is still alive. Remove the thing 'DM' from the server, who'll play it then ? So you can't just say that it isnt a DM server etc blah blah

There's many things to do in MCNR and you only care about DM. Pathetic.

[Ahsoka_Tano]

People were being hunted down just because they were most wanted, not only they had the police to worry about but also random players killing them while robbing a property or doing any other task. People that are bored and think there is nothing to do are clearly wrong, they are bored because they can´t do the mission with a best friend/crew or they just don´t want to do such "lame stuff". 
Needs more missions which can be played with other players, securicar is currently the only mission where multiple people can participate, but only as guards rather than collecting money and so on.

[howl]

There's many things to do in MCNR and you only care about DM. Pathetic.

90% of games are involved with killing, do you expect us to just fish around and do the lame missions?

[Vippy]

I was just wondering that why is it now disallowed to kill Most Wanted?. I know I'm a bit inactive but on other hand I'm pretty sure that the main and worst problem of the server at the moment was very very high number of cops. Everyone was demanding to find out a way to balance this, none asked for this new rule that you should not be allowed to kill a MW as it was one of the reason most of the players wont get bored playing MCNR. Beside of doing something that is highly requested (somehow balance cops), this new rule was added that you aren't allowed to kill Most Wanted anymore which in my opinion is a very bad idea.

Removing this rule was not really required or necessary as it keeps a player interest to stay in the server. Your thoughts?

Well, I agree wIth this, killing MWs was the last hope for mcnr which was making it alive, ngl the server is pretty boring playing without killing mws ( at least for me). And it's 2022 what do you expect from a player? Fishing 24/7, roaming around with cars? Robbing banks 24/7? Well that was the worst decission of not allowing civilian to kill mws. ( just my opinion tho)

[trina]

Personally, this change should have happened from the very beginning. As someone stated prior this is Cops and Robbers, not a deathmatch server. The main people who are upset over this are people who like to constantly go kill someone which honestly ruins the game for others who are just trying to chill and enjoy the server. If you want to kill someone, go ask them to join you in a duel or find a dm server.

[Vippy]

Or if the staff cares about this server, then they should make a rule of not killing newbies who got lower than a 5k score, instead of removing this rule

[trina]

Or if the staff cares about this server, then they should make a rule of not killing newbies who got lower than a 5k score, instead of removing this rule

No one will listen to that. When they see a mw all they want to do is kill them. I think it's a good change and we can see how it plays out.

[Vippy]

No one will listen to that. When they see a mw all they want to do is kill them. I think it's a good change and we can see how it plays out.

There's a staff member for a reason then, Go punish those who broke these rules. Less see how it goes but I'm sure it will damage this player base

[trina]

If it damages the player base we can always go back to allowing mw to be killed by everyone. This rule change is only affecting those who like to find any reason to rdm players which honestly this server can use a break from all the dming. However, we need to remember that this is not a deathmatch server and it was never intended to be one.

[syairman]

man why the hell are they still calling this server CnR

[.Kakashi.]

if you don't like the new rule about vigilante removal, there is another way for you to satisfy the urges of killing people. go rob someone who is good enough in shooting and killing people, rob their properties while they are in-game, camp players outside the bank like noobs do, this way you will trigger a chain of reaction which includes reason to kill, non stop revenge, hunting each other down ect, nature always find a way to keeps things going

[br0ken]

implementing this rule wont balance the server and now it will increase the amount of cops cause now theres nothing crews can do now, i mean cant kill other crew’s members without a valid reason so they will go on duty as cop to fight

Mikes Medics and Firefighters

[renzy]

There's many things to do in MCNR and you only care about DM. Pathetic.

tell me what does the most ppl do ?

[renzy]

There's many things to do in MCNR and you only care about DM. Pathetic.

u want us to do those boring mission stuff? and rob bank 24/7 which ive been doing from past almost 3years lmao killing most wanted was something that doesnt get u  bored

[stacJ]

Yea I'll like to add that this new rule also made the cop rate more worst. We were already sick of dozens of cops and after this rule players who are bored and want to do some DMing they just switch to cop. I myself switched to cop after this rule for a while. Server is flooding from cops but besides of somehow balancing it Management is producing more reasons for players to go cop.

Vippy is right here, some score limit can be made to kill MW. If you believe beginners don't enjoy it, set the limit to a score like 5-6K whatever you think is better and like trina said none will follow it then staff should know much better how to make players follow a certain rule. If minor rules like 2 Shot, cbug and everything is handled greatly, why can't this be handled?

And one more thing to add, Crew Wars which everyone know still is keeping the server alive in-game is literally most of the time starts due to the rule that you can kill MW. Like, some members of a crew are MW, the opponent crew will chase and hunt them. This is how players interest in the server build up and players don't get bored. If someone on the other hand keep chasing the opponent crew until they find a reason, they'll be reported for griefing or following for no reason etc

By removing this you're only adding cops and reducing the crew war percentage (one of the most interesting thing ATM to do). There should've been a community poll/discussion for this major rule to be changed.

[legend]

CnR servers are DM sided. MCNR became TDM server at one point(still is tbh). This rule change was supposed to be QoL update. Yes it made it easier for criminals also in someway, know handful of people that never did enough crimes to become MW, to avoid being hunted down. Theres still big issue, that's the cops. Having unlimited spawns, lose almost nothing on death, besides their own personal vehicle if they used it. Not even going to mention how that update increased cop ratio, but that's another topic to be dealt with.
The server wouldn't survived long enough with that rule implemented (that's my opinion and it needed change). There was choice to be made, server with 20-40 DMing regulars or potential 70+ players, that do things around map, whatever it may be fishing/trucking(lmao)/robbing/drug trafficking/arms dealing or item vendoring(hopefully to be added soon) and missions. As I've seen, Mike is forcing player to interact with others, more than ever now.
Players who liked to go killing spree on newbies now have to use 2 brain cells instead of 1, to find a proper reason. People saying who are saying "oh crews don't have reason to go and kill another crew members" - you're clearly wrong about that one. If you didn't want to provoke others, it's now your time to man up and find out how, be smoked or be the smoker yourself.

[Mike]

If killing other players is the only thing keeping you on MCNR, you probably need to go find a DM server. MCNR is not a DM server. Criminals are supposed to evade the cops, not attack them. Ordinary civilians should not be going after other player simply because they are wanted. They aren't cops.

[Red_DragoN]

If killing other players is the only thing keeping you on MCNR, you probably need to go find a DM server. MCNR is not a DM server. Criminals are supposed to evade the cops, not attack them. Ordinary civilians should not be going after other player simply because they are wanted. They aren't cops.

If we wanted a driving simulator we would go find a freeroam/stunt server as well my homie

[Astro]

Yea I'll like to add that this new rule also made the cop rate more worst. We were already sick of dozens of cops and after this rule players who are bored and want to do some DMing they just switch to cop. I myself switched to cop after this rule for a while. Server is flooding from cops but besides of somehow balancing it Management is producing more reasons for players to go cop.

Vippy is right here, some score limit can be made to kill MW. If you believe beginners don't enjoy it, set the limit to a score like 5-6K whatever you think is better and like trina said none will follow it then staff should know much better how to make players follow a certain rule. If minor rules like 2 Shot, cbug and everything is handled greatly, why can't this be handled?

And one more thing to add, Crew Wars which everyone know still is keeping the server alive in-game is literally most of the time starts due to the rule that you can kill MW. Like, some members of a crew are MW, the opponent crew will chase and hunt them. This is how players interest in the server build up and players don't get bored. If someone on the other hand keep chasing the opponent crew until they find a reason, they'll be reported for griefing or following for no reason etc

By removing this you're only adding cops and reducing the crew war percentage (one of the most interesting thing ATM to do). There should've been a community poll/discussion for this major rule to be changed.

Well mind your bussines as a crew, dont just find a reason to kill the other crew, make an eeent crew war etc. Why yall cant just play the game as its planned to be played but how you like it or you are used to?!you dont need to follow what the other crew is doing or is it MW or not you may be able to intensify the fights by robbing banks and getting the bag but yall aint about that so back tto your main reason which is again DM

[Karbz]

This is a very well needed rule change, it's put the 'Cops & Robbers' back into the server,  as previously it was just 'Most Wanted vs Most Wanted' - You had most wanted suspects acting like cops going around constantly spawn killing/killing other most-wanted members in an attempt to get them jailed. It should be cops who are killing most wanted suspects and getting them jailed, not other civilians.

There are still plenty of valid reasons to kill someone,  this is legit only 1 reason that has been removed.  This rule should never have been active in the first place, and if it never was active you wouldn't be complaining.  You all hate change, and it shows very clearly sometimes.  It will also help out newer players so they get a chance to experience criminal life without needing to worry about being killed constantly by other criminals when they finally get a 6-star wanted level.

+1 This was a very well needed change to the system.

[SNOOP]

Guys chill out
when you were a beginner
did you always like getting hunted down by old and pro players and being hunted by cops at the same time?
isn't that another reason to quit the server?
if you guys were bored why didnt you try the server's other feautures
there's a shit ton of features that are fun,


And about players complaining about cops
isn't it like to better to team up with criminals to go against cop?

and not Crews vs civilians vs cops?

[stacJ]

So can't we just have a poll on discord if the community want to keep this rule or no?

I mean, all these changes and rules are for the community right? so why not let them decide?
On the other if you are really having that much complains from newbies, just add a score limit for the MW rule.
@trina

[Shay]

If we wanted a driving simulator we would go find a freeroam/stunt server as well my homie

My guy speaking facts

[Legendary]

If we wanted a driving simulator we would go find a freeroam/stunt server as well my homie

Mike's Fishermen and F1 drivers update pending. And most admin want that, while 95% of players have been waiting for more gang related updates or casino/extra robberies to improve the financial part of the game. I mean fair enough if y'all want to go missing from samp's list in just a week gg this is the best way.

[Astro]

Mike's Fishermen and F1 drivers update pending. And most admin want that, while 95% of players have been waiting for more gang related updates or casino/extra robberies to improve the financial part of the game. I mean fair enough if y'all want to go missing from samp's list in just a week gg this is the best way.

Do you know that fish caught and distance traveled is shown on player stats same as k/d ratio?there are also many achivments for those things!

[syairman]

Guys chill out
when you were a beginner
did you always like getting hunted down by old and pro players and being hunted by cops at the same time?
isn't that another reason to quit the server?
if you guys were bored why didnt you try the server's other feautures
there's a shit ton of features that are fun,


And about players complaining about cops
isn't it like to better to team up with criminals to go against cop?

and not Crews vs civilians vs cops?

that's more like a skill issue tbh, anyways. what ' fun features' are you talking about??

[renzy]

that's more like a skill issue tbh, anyways. what ' fun features' are you talking about??

i badly wanna know aswell what are those "features"

[stacJ]

Do you know that fish caught and distance traveled is shown on player stats same as k/d ratio?there are also many achivments for those things!

Does it mean that it's a interesting feature? All I know is, people do fishing only to grind score and thats it. Nothing interesting in that to keep a player active.

[Stylebender]

good rule

[Krzychu]

man why the hell are they still calling this server CnR

 

[M.8.N_]

Well For me i think it's a bad idea to change this rule because i was playing only to kill most wanted and some cops but now, the server full of cops because they want to DM to get more kills so they can enjoy the game, about these newbies who join and crying 24/7 about getting killed by some guys because they are MW, well they have to learn how to protect themselves, I was here since 2019 and i was one of these newbies getting killed by old players so I learned dm and here I'm.

[stacJ]

Well For me i think it's a bad idea to change this rule because i was playing only to kill most wanted and some cops but now, the server full of cops because they want to DM to get more kills so they can enjoy the game, about these newbies who join and crying 24/7 about getting killed by some guys because they are MW, well they have to learn how to protect themselves, I was here since 2019 and i was one of these newbies getting killed by old players so I learned dm and here I'm.

Thats exactly what I think as well

[M.8.N_]

Thats exactly what I think as well

Yeah Even now we can't start any fight (wars) it was started by killing from one of two sides while he's mw but now we can't start anything, also take a look at this pic below "it's me while fighting cops after this new rule"
at least mike should make 10 cops only if there are 25 civs (ofc 15 of them are newbies) so it's gonna be 10v10, something like this.

[Karbz]

This is all opinion biased,  the people who enjoy deathmatching will be highly against this rule.

The players who were sick of constantly dying because they were being killed by the deathmatchers will agree with this rule.


Let's face it though, civilians should not be doing the cops' job and going around and killing most wanted suspects.  If they are allowed to do that, you might as well completely remove the job completely from the server. It is a cop's job on the server to enforce the law and to make sure it is followed appropriately.  If you want to go around killing most wanted suspects head to the local police department and go on duty (it is really not that hard to do).

Yes, it was always most wanted vs Most wanted 90% of the time,  but as soon as a cop came near the most wanted criminals fighting you'd all ignore each other and target the cop so where on earth is that even considered remotely fair.  Cops do have an advantage over criminals by not losing weapons, but cops are funded by the government.  Your weapons are not funded by the government, they are funded by your own bank account.

If you hate losing so much in cash whenever you die or get arrested, stop purchasing so much ammo where it's a bad thing for you whenever you get arrested.  Your weapons get confiscated as you've committed an illegal activity with them,  so expect to see up to 95% of your ammunition taken as a punishment along with a lengthy jail term.


Another side note; You all hate change so much, Mike added in a new island (it has future plans) but you all just run around complaining,  shit takes a while to implement when you're just 1 person running the entire show.  If this rule we're talking about was never originally in the server if it was added in you'd all find a reason to complain about it being added,  since it's being removed you're all finding a reason to complain.

it is impossible to please everyone,  so you will just need to deal with the change.  You'll all adapt soon,  we will work on perhaps getting a QoL update out for criminals.

[Obsidian]

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH No nerf for the cops yet the poll is completely useless 

[stacJ]

But I still don't get it. If the change is for the community why can't we just have a poll in which the community themselves decides if this rule should stay or not? Can't find any reason to that

[Karbz]

But I still don't get it. If the change is for the community why can't we just have a poll in which the community themselves decides if this rule should stay or not? Can't find any reason to that

You don't even play the server, so why is this of any concern to you?  We're in discussion at the moment about bringing some improvements for criminals, mainly talking about the amount of ammunition that you lose upon being arrested. Trying to find a balance, where criminals don't lose out that much anymore. Just gotta give us time

[stacJ]

You don't even play the server, so why is this of any concern to you?

? 12.8hr activity this month bruhh
I'm just asking all this because only maybe this MW rule was something that still kept a little interest inside me to join

If the change is for the community why can't we just have a poll in which the community themselves decides if this rule should stay or not?

Still can't get this..

[Karbz]

There will be a poll occurring over the next coming days (maybe hours) in regards to this new change, - please keep an eye out on discord.

[Astro]

Does it mean that it's a interesting feature? All I know is, people do fishing only to grind score and thats it. Nothing interesting in that to keep a player active.

Well some people dont find interesting to being killled 30000 times in a 4-8 v 1 just because they killled a cop who was chasing them for a minor robbery

[Astro]

Well For me i think it's a bad idea to change this rule because i was playing only to kill most wanted and some cops but now, the server full of cops because they want to DM to get more kills so they can enjoy the game, about these newbies who join and crying 24/7 about getting killed by some guys because they are MW, well they have to learn how to protect themselves, I was here since 2019 and i was one of these newbies getting killed by old players so I learned dm and here I'm.

Remove the want to kill most wanted and go kill cops

[stacJ]

Well, after Karbz himself said that there'll be a poll I don't think I'll argue more. That's the best way to know what's better for the community.

[Krzychu]

That's the best way to know what's better for the community.

The "community" that runs on the server. Ask Mr. XYZ what he has to say.

[M.8.N_]

Remove the want to kill most wanted and go kill cops

Bro how i can kill cops when they are around 10? they are too overpowered, at least when we kill MW he goes to the jail and you have around 4mins to heal up and get ready to fight him because he will come for his revenge. but cops respawn again and they still have all weapons they just need to buy armour and go for his revenge use your brain bro...

[RedX]

Bro how i can kill cops when they are around 10? they are too overpowered, at least when we kill MW he goes to the jail and you have around 4mins to heal up and get ready to fight him because he will come for his revenge. but cops respawn again and they still have all weapons they just need to buy armour and go for his revenge use your brain bro...

Well that's what he was trying to explain about. This new rule indirectly promotes killing cops and will probably create some balance to the overpowered cop situtation. Since MWs can't be killed for bounty anymore, criminals can focus more towards fighting cops instead of killing their own type. But again this might take some time to come in effect as people are not so used to it and everybody just wants to kill other players which they think is much easier as a cop. So I think we just need to wait for people to realize that this new rule creates an opportunity for all criminals to work together against cops.

[Kanarimortem]

u want us to do those boring mission stuff? and rob bank 24/7 which ive been doing from past almost 3years lmao killing most wanted was something that doesnt get u  bored

Maybe if you used your remaining 7 severely damaged but yet working brain cells (results of being a compulsive RDMer with no life) you would be able to make a suggestion in forums about an activity or job you would like in this server.

[syairman]

Maybe if you used your remaining 7 severely damaged but yet working brain cells (results of being a compulsive RDMer with no life) you would be able to make a suggestion in forums about an activity or job you would like in this server.

f*ck suggestions man, i've suggested kiss animation and it stays on the 'Approved Suggestions' subforum since December 2021. A f*cking KISS ANIMATION , i wonder how long will 'activity job' suggestions will rot on the Subforum. I even wonder if it got accepted, sometimes Mike denies suggestion instantly before even hearing the Community's thought about it

[Karbz]

I am going to be locking this topic now.

@syairman Your suggestion has been approved, but Mike has other and better things to implement before even considering adding an animation.  If you do /anims, you'll see that Mike needs to go through and complete the entire list. So please be patient.