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Community => Suggestions and Ideas => Rejected Suggestions => Topic started by: RavenGuard69 on November 19, 2020, 11:00:27 am

Title: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: RavenGuard69 on November 19, 2020, 11:00:27 am
the fucking title says it all
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: quail on November 19, 2020, 12:14:07 pm
Do you really want so?
When reload system was, all the people were complaining,
Now it's removed, and you suggest to disallow it, due to some people knows how to deal well with this weapon after remove the reload
After all, i think "removing reload" was and it's the best choice, -1
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Flyburger on November 19, 2020, 12:59:32 pm
Do you really want so?
When reload system was, all the people were complaining,
Now it's removed, and you suggest to disallow it, due to some people knows how to deal well with this weapon after remove the reload
After all, i think "removing reload" was and it's the best choice, -1
bro please read, he suggested to disallow 2 shot, not enable weapon reload animation back
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: RavenGuard69 on November 19, 2020, 01:01:31 pm
bro please read, he suggested to disallow 2 shot, not enable weapon reload animation back
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on November 19, 2020, 01:04:25 pm
Sawn off into the head, and your health and armor is down.
I agree 2 shot should be disabled.

Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Parzival on November 19, 2020, 01:08:07 pm
i support . too op .
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: chuppy on November 19, 2020, 01:09:08 pm
2shot/cbug wasn't allowed before the reload animation thingy happened in january/february, i don't get why it's suddenly a thing now..as far as i've seen no one ever asked for it and people are constantly bitching about it.

you don't need a script to prevent abuse, just make it a rule..it's clearly easy to spot and recording would be only a few seconds long.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: howl on November 19, 2020, 03:26:26 pm

you don't need a script to prevent abuse, just make it a rule..it's clearly easy to spot and recording would be only a few seconds long.

cleverly pointing out the same thing on every suggestion
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Domingo on November 19, 2020, 03:52:12 pm
2shot/cbug wasn't allowed before the reload animation thingy happened in january/february, i don't get why it's suddenly a thing now..as far as i've seen no one ever asked for it and people are constantly bitching about it.

you don't need a script to prevent abuse, just make it a rule..it's clearly easy to spot and recording would be only a few seconds long.
Okay we don't need an anti-cheat system, it's clearly easy to spot airbreak and recording would be only a few seconds long. That would be just a waste of time to record every single gameplay so you can catch 2shot abusers. Most of the new players would say "if it's not allowed, disable it".

-1, I really like the 2shot, it can create a difference if you're outmatched in a battle.

anticheat has nothing to do with the cbug script that exists (which doesn't work properly, either intentionally or not - exactly why i added the thing lofi quoted) so you may wanna edit that.
giving an example and making a joke about your comment

if you spend your time catching and recording rulebreakers just so an admin gives them 2 infraction points i do feel sorry for you.
actually love the way you keep trying to insult people in a hidden way, feel free to search my forum posts (you may wanna edit that comment)
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: chuppy on November 19, 2020, 04:01:03 pm
anticheat has nothing to do with the cbug script that exists (which doesn't work properly, either intentionally or not - exactly why i added the thing lofi quoted) so you may wanna edit that.

if you spend your time catching and recording rulebreakers just so an admin gives them 2 infraction points i do feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Latz on November 22, 2020, 04:05:23 pm
Reviving. Disable 2sawn off shotguns, they are overpowered, I don't see difference between them and minigun though.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Achilles_ on November 23, 2020, 06:57:42 pm
Reviving. Disable 2sawn off shotguns, they are overpowered, I don't see difference between them and minigun though.
No difference, what?
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: SausageParty on November 24, 2020, 05:30:08 pm
+1

2 shots gay
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: typtics on November 24, 2020, 07:46:19 pm
+1

Very annoying someone abusing that
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Sasino97 on November 25, 2020, 04:33:48 am
I totally agree.
The reload animation was bad, but there needs to be a rule that
completely disallows players from abusing the "2-shot" bug when
using double sawn-off shotguns.

It makes no sense that you can't press C one single time to stop the
desert eagle animation faster, but you can reload your shotguns
indefinitely by just switching them rapidly.

This video shows how damaging it is:


Imagine in real life a double barreled semi-auto machine-shotgun... WTF is that
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Aaliyah on November 25, 2020, 05:33:22 am
I totally agree.
The reload animation was bad, but there needs to be a rule that
completely disallows players from abusing the "2-shot" bug when
using double sawn-off shotguns.

It makes no sense that you can't press C one single time to stop the
desert eagle animation faster, but you can reload your shotguns
indefinitely by just switching them rapidly.

This video shows how damaging it is:


Imagine in real life a double barreled semi-auto machine-shotgun... WTF is that
First of all your video is private. And yes it must be disallowed because people starts crying when they got killed by it. am i right? :D
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Masteroid on November 25, 2020, 09:58:25 am


Imagine in real life a double barreled semi-auto machine-shotgun... WTF is that

Yes we call that holding an AA-12 in each hand.

+1 to suggestion, its broken tbh.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Latz on November 25, 2020, 04:18:12 pm
No difference, what?
What? No difference. Both have practically the same effects, both are overpowered. 2shoots are more likely supporting DM.
Switching your weapon to re-fill your clip is a bug, as there's a missing variable in the game that should store the clip count. Along with the fact that you can put your weapon switch into a "queue" so that the action (the game switches the weapon automatically) happens after a shot is finished, proving that it's even more of a bug for the sawn off's.
I have seen it so many times, when players just reload their sawn off out of nowhere, then suddenly dealing more damage than an asteroid hitting earth, because of this, just what Sasino has said is completely correct.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Sasino97 on November 26, 2020, 02:16:21 am
First of all your video is private. And yes it must be disallowed because people starts crying when they got killed by it. am i right? :D

My bad, now it's public.
And no, it's not just you, I used your clip as an example but many players abuse it.

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In my opinion, a simple script that holsters the weapon and warns the player if it detects they are abusing it (by counting the number of shots in a certain amount of time) would be good.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: abeabe on November 26, 2020, 08:10:58 am
"2 Shots" is encouraging players to only use sawn off, Unhealthy to the game.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: lilrucci on November 26, 2020, 08:32:40 am
+1 .Too OP
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: ranja on November 27, 2020, 06:59:21 pm
1. Either squeeze in a type of an anti-system like C-Bug detector, which fully stops the player's ability to move for a second and add a displayed message of what has happened ("DON'T C-BUG!" // "DON'T 2-SHOT!").

2. Or add an exception in the reload animation system specifically targeting the "Sawn-off Shotgun" by denying a possibility for the player, whose changing their weapons from Sawns and back to Sawns, to succeed in a classic 2-shot strat.

+1
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Sasino97 on November 28, 2020, 04:47:58 am
1. Either squeeze in a type of an anti-system like C-Bug detector, which fully stops the player's ability to move for a second and add a displayed message of what has happened ("DON'T C-BUG!" // "DON'T 2-SHOT!").

2. Or add an exception in the reload animation system specifically targeting the "Sawn-off Shotgun" by denying a possibility for the player, whose changing their weapons from Sawns and back to Sawns, to succeed in a classic 2-shot strat.

+1

In my opinion #1 is the best solution, so that it's similar to what you get when you C-bug.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: GtaFreak on November 28, 2020, 05:18:04 am
either nerf sawn off damage
or
enable reload anim for sawn off (like the old system, but only for this weapon)
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Eldy. on November 28, 2020, 09:35:22 am
nerf the sawn damage. 20 damage per full hit of a single shot, 80 4 shots, 10 shots to kill with 200 armour. Just a example tho, you can do others too.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: M.8.N_ on November 28, 2020, 09:43:23 am
+1
i dont like 2shots they just abusing it.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: cynosy on November 29, 2020, 08:58:25 pm
Why nerf sawnoffs? They were like paintball guns once they already got nerfed, now they are back to normal. Just make it so that if this suggestion gets implemented, then if you see someone 2shotting, record it, post it on forums, simple.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Sasino97 on November 30, 2020, 04:44:57 am
I'm against nerfing the sawed off shotgun, but everyone can clearly see that the 2-shot bug is excessively advantageous
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: RavenGuard69 on November 30, 2020, 11:35:34 am
Having a rule is much more powerful than adding reload anims
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: howl on November 30, 2020, 05:35:26 pm
2shot is allowed, but cbug is not
(https://i.imgur.com/nv9RXle.jpg)
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Sasino97 on December 01, 2020, 03:03:15 am
2shot is allowed, but cbug is not
(https://i.imgur.com/nv9RXle.jpg)

Lol my point.
Stopping the desert eagle shooting animation quickly one time is a serious offense that gets you admin jail, losing all your guns, and an infraction point, but having cartridges load magically in your shotguns is ok.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Flyburger on December 01, 2020, 04:08:55 am
@Mike
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: howl on December 13, 2020, 10:09:15 am
Lol my point.
Stopping the desert eagle shooting animation quickly one time is a serious offense that gets you admin jail, losing all your guns, and an infraction point, but having cartridges load magically in your shotguns is ok.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure 2shot is much more big of a deal than cbug, because it makes it faster for fights to end while cbug is just a little quickshot to be frankly, hence you have anti-rapid script applied to it.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Dudesdog on December 13, 2020, 06:56:48 pm
Wow this post has been open forever.. honestly most are against two shot I think but a discord public vote on whether to keep or remove might be the best option?
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Rose on December 13, 2020, 07:39:35 pm
I kinda like 2shots. It makes up for my lack of fighting skills. But since the majority are against it, it's best to disallow it like c-bug. Since both are bugs. Technically.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: [P]atchy[MAIN] on January 09, 2021, 05:41:50 pm
 >:( >:( >:( WHY NOT?! today I got killed by many cows like around 50+ times!!!! Even some newbie abused it to kill me. I don't even know how to do it...  Actually, all of the words should be with caps lock on...

+infinite
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: RedX on January 11, 2021, 05:54:51 pm
Yes remove that destructive shit
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: 51ck51ck on January 11, 2021, 07:14:36 pm
+1 2 shots way too overpowered
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: xev on January 11, 2021, 07:45:47 pm
2shot is allowed, but cbug is not
(https://i.imgur.com/nv9RXle.jpg)

GOT 6  infractions for 1 tap fml #justice4onetap #allow1tap
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: GtaFreak on January 12, 2021, 05:19:52 am
yeah for real, like others have stated, 2-shot is allowed but c-bug is not?

Just remove 2 shot, it's an un-intended bug/exploit of the game that was an oversight to begin with.

Such a strong close quarters dueling weapon, allowing people to spam it with no reload anim is just dumb, a lot of close range fights turn into "better 2 shot" wins.

Still, even with it being allowed at the moment on the server, I don't do it, why? Cause i don't exploit bugs / exploits when deathmatching, I take the beating like a man and then cry aimbot in /report :D
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: [P]atchy[MAIN] on January 12, 2021, 02:11:27 pm
yeah for real, like others have stated, 2-shot is allowed but c-bug is not?

Just remove 2 shot, it's an un-intended bug/exploit of the game that was an oversight to begin with.

Such a strong close quarters dueling weapon, allowing people to spam it with no reload anim is just dumb, a lot of close range fights turn into "better 2 shot" wins.

Still, even with it being allowed at the moment on the server, I don't do it, why? Cause i don't exploit bugs / exploits when deathmatching, I take the beating like a man and then cry aimbot in /report :D

He he for two shot abuse, the biggest server (can't tell its name), removed sawn off's dual wield xDDD

I'm thinking why the hell Mike not implementing this rule? He also loves two shot?    I can't even c bug and 2 shot properly tho I'm newbie in SA started SA in December 2019.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: DRAG0NFURY on January 12, 2021, 02:16:16 pm
I'd like to point out that 2shotting and cbugging require skill to learn but its true that once you get the hang of it it becomes pretty unfair to fight against.
Cbugging is totally unfair because it deals so much damage and you arent supposed to shoot it rapidly its literally cheating imo so i can see why its not allowed
2shotting doesnt deal as much damage and theres a slight delay between shots, its great if you have good accuracy but its really punishing if your aim is bad so im pretty neutral on this one to be honest.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Ahsoka_Tano on January 12, 2021, 05:21:06 pm
So when will this be a thing?
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: RedZ on January 17, 2021, 12:21:18 am
-1
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: GtaFreak on January 17, 2021, 07:31:14 am
hmm yes intelligent man above me, putting -1 without reason, basically a post farm.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: AWPerHanD on January 17, 2021, 09:13:24 am
+1 ('cuz I'm noob xD)
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: legend on January 18, 2021, 03:19:05 am
It takes long term practice to achieve maximum speed and accuracy with 2-shot, same as cbug.
Make 2-shot prevetion or Mike should state a rule against. Its same c-bug, but less deadlier.
If c-bug is completly forbidden, why is still a thing, its so dumb.
I do support its removal, it grants unfair advantage against people who have no clue how to do it even.

Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: [P]atchy[MAIN] on January 18, 2021, 01:56:04 pm
It takes long term practice to achieve maximum speed and accuracy with 2-shot, same as cbug.
Make 2-shot prevetion or Mike should state a rule against. Its same c-bug, but less deadlier.
If c-bug is completly forbidden, why is still a thing, its so dumb.
I do support its removal, it grants unfair advantage against people who have no clue how to do it even.

All I think after seeing the in-game rules is that this topic shouldn't even be needed to be created.

See attachment.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Polasky21 on January 18, 2021, 07:35:04 pm
+1

No reason needed to allow this, its just a bug and the ones that use that are bug abusers.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Masteroid on January 18, 2021, 07:51:42 pm
+1.
Its getting too annoying tbh. Most fights are just "I can switch weapons faster than you,now die."
Its even more annoying when you aren't able to 2-shot consistently meanwhile the other guy just switches and shoots like he has a macro.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: renzy on January 18, 2021, 08:24:37 pm
Not everyone is good at 2shots.
-1
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: Fateh on January 18, 2021, 10:32:28 pm
+1.
Its getting too annoying tbh. Most fights are just "I can switch weapons faster than you,now die."
Its even more annoying when you aren't able to 2-shot consistently meanwhile the other guy just switches and shoots like he has a macro.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: sousage on January 19, 2021, 02:50:22 am
-1
DO NOT +1 -1 POST - Use the voting system, explained here (https://mikescnr.com/forum/index.php/topic,3572.0.html)

Forum warned.
Title: Re: disallow sawn off shotgun 2-2
Post by: legend on January 19, 2021, 09:04:52 am
Mike has officially stated, that 2-shot is against the rules.