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Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« on: January 21, 2021, 02:37:03 pm »
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Around san andreas, the official crews may want to own hoods, streets, this will be increasing the official crew points as there will be a top, and each month an official crew gets top 1 and will win a huge prize. Also, by gaining a hood, addition to points, you will earn some money) You also may defend your crew's hood incase it's being wanted and attacked by other crews. Be careful, you will lose points if you lose your hood and others gain it. Note that you are not allowed to kill others who pass-by your hood, as long as they don't attack it or start war in it(command /startwar would be useful incase implemented).

Detaily, There will be a menu in-game showing list of official crews(by the way there should be more official crews), from now on incase implemented you may request to join an official crew in-game by maybe clicking it then > Request to join, as expected, the official crew owner will have the ability to form any rank under the Owner of crew, and can approve/disapprove a request, add to blacklist, announce something in the crew, ofcourse there should be a crew chat between crew members to communicate together. You may check your crew points in that menu, I'm glad to explain to you incase you're asking for more info.

Notes: The command /startwar will be only available to official crew members. Therefore, no cops, no civilians, no public service will be able to start a war.
- You as a crew member, shouldn't attack anyone in your crew hood if he didn't /startwar (to prevent RDM cases).
- Cops may join these wars to do their duty to stop serious violences in cities between people.

You'll probably feel its some kind of RP, however no, that is just going to make more Cops vs Robbers which is the main purpose of MCNR. Additionally, this idea is unique, as I haven't seen it on any server since I started playing samp, so its going to be thrilling if you absolutely agree with it. Let me know on what you disagree. Just thought of this idea since we have crews here, and thought it will be awesome if we have that system.
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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2021, 03:07:43 pm »

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2021, 03:24:06 pm »
Great, however somethings that Mike has not stated there, so I'm adding more suggestions/ideas to the main idea.

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2021, 03:36:15 pm »
Great Idea!! In fact this should be started from the next update itself (if Mike has time). These things will make the crew system more interesting and game would be much more realistic. Just in addition, when crew members are in their crew hood, they will slowly recover health/armour only if not recently attacked or in a crew war. /startwar will be applicant only if their would be 4 or more opponent crew members in the hood being attacked

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2021, 04:26:42 pm »
Great idea Latz, maybe Mike thought about this but we will see. I think that we need to make a push for the crew system and casino heists (maybe earlier release, then updating it after time passes) since it will really change the servers dynamic and we would all benefit from it. Hope Mike has the time to do so.

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2021, 09:11:04 pm »
+1.. would add a diff element to the game :)

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2021, 01:01:52 pm »
Not gonna lie, this sounds sick. +1

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2021, 03:02:39 pm »
Sounds cool on paper, but it won't work. Server rules will differ from your crew rules, which will only make problems. This has happened regularly in the past, which is the main reason why all the crews you were once apart of suddenly disappeared.
Having that RPish elements simply doesn't work on a CnR server.
Example..2 crews are fighting for a territory, every cop that happens to be in one of those two crews cannot be there, meaning he can't do his job properly(which is already a huge issue, since you're killing the whole point of this server). Server rules prevent him from assisting criminals (as in attacking/arresting rival crew members while pretending his crewmates aren't there) and your crew rules will state that you can't attack your crew members and/or are supposed to help them. So you, as a cop, can't do what you're supposed to do, on a CnR server.

If you want a ranking system, to prove who's better or whatever..just make an arena somewhere outside the main city and let them slaughter each other there for points. I don't see how that's fun but if they really want it, i don't see why not. Having a little competition can't hurt.

Having clan tags, unique colors, group chats and everything else Mike mentioned in the topic you linked is completely fine. However your gangwar ideas and whatnot simply won't do any good. Even if you do somehow fix the cops issue i mentioned at the start (maybe by disallowing gang members to switch into cops), you still can't ignore the fact that other cops that don't associate with any gangs can't really stop 10, 20, 30 people fighting on the streets. It would completely ruin the server. I mean..you already know how hard it is to arrest 3-4 players in bank..you can only imagine how it would be with actual gangs (which for whatever reason tend to include 40% of the entire community..leaders are utterly stupid)

As for requests to join a gang..i mean, you already have those on the forums. Is it really necessary to have it ingame as well? I'd rather see some new robbery locations, but that's just me..

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2021, 10:41:29 pm »
Sounds cool on paper, but it won't work. Server rules will differ from your crew rules, which will only make problems. This has happened regularly in the past, which is the main reason why all the crews you were once apart of suddenly disappeared.
Having that RPish elements simply doesn't work on a CnR server.
Example..2 crews are fighting for a territory, every cop that happens to be in one of those two crews cannot be there, meaning he can't do his job properly(which is already a huge issue, since you're killing the whole point of this server). Server rules prevent him from assisting criminals (as in attacking/arresting rival crew members while pretending his crewmates aren't there) and your crew rules will state that you can't attack your crew members and/or are supposed to help them. So you, as a cop, can't do what you're supposed to do, on a CnR server.

If you want a ranking system, to prove who's better or whatever..just make an arena somewhere outside the main city and let them slaughter each other there for points. I don't see how that's fun but if they really want it, i don't see why not. Having a little competition can't hurt.

Having clan tags, unique colors, group chats and everything else Mike mentioned in the topic you linked is completely fine. However your gangwar ideas and whatnot simply won't do any good. Even if you do somehow fix the cops issue i mentioned at the start (maybe by disallowing gang members to switch into cops), you still can't ignore the fact that other cops that don't associate with any gangs can't really stop 10, 20, 30 people fighting on the streets. It would completely ruin the server. I mean..you already know how hard it is to arrest 3-4 players in bank..you can only imagine how it would be with actual gangs (which for whatever reason tend to include 40% of the entire community..leaders are utterly stupid)

As for requests to join a gang..i mean, you already have those on the forums. Is it really necessary to have it ingame as well? I'd rather see some new robbery locations, but that's just me..

No one ever said that gangwars have to happen within the active city because that's totally irrelevant and as you said by yourself, if the system gets implemented gang wars will happen outside of the current city which doesn't affect the normal gameplay of any cops.You are overexaggerating by saying "they cant do what they are supposed to do in a cnr server".Like even if gangwars were to happen within the active city, why would regular cops even drive towards a gang war?whats the point?They are heavily outnumbered and they know damn well they will die if they attempt to interrupt it unless they outnumber the gangwar participants.

By the way, gangwars are already a thing but they are just un-official.With the current system you have to let an admin know about it and they will approve it as long as it happens outside the active city.The system Mike will implement makes it even more fun and immersive for people who like gangwars and on foot combat.

Some people want action to make the game exciting you can't possibly expect people to act all peaceful in a game that's intended to have violence in it.You like the boring aspect of the game which just resolves around doing the same thing over and over and I respect it however,don't expect everyone to be like you.

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Example..2 crews are fighting for a territory, every cop that happens to be in one of those two crews cannot be there, meaning he can't do his job properly(which is already a huge issue, since you're killing the whole point of this server). Server rules prevent him from assisting criminals (as in attacking/arresting rival crew members while pretending his crewmates aren't there) and your crew rules will state that you can't attack your crew members and/or are supposed to help them. So you, as a cop, can't do what you're supposed to do, on a CnR server.

See?Because you have never been in a crew you are pointing out really irrelevant arguments.Generally speaking, crews have their own rules but they never go above server rules, if your crewmate is a warrant you have to attack them regardless.I can assure you absolutely no crew will kick you or blacklist you for chasing a member of your clan while being a cop. We all respect this rule, on 59 at least, I have seen other crews go after their own crew members as well(they tend not to but I have seen plenty of these situations) though.
Anyway if a gangwar is happening and a cop crewmate happens to be there?Like the first logical question I would ask them is why the fuck are you here if you are a cop?No one goes to a gangwar as a cop just to watch his teammates die/kill other players because its totally stupid and illogical.He's there to arrest and "play the game"?Go back to the active city and play cat and mouse with other warrants.The servers playerbase isn't based off a group who decides to have some fun outside the city.By that logic why don't we also make it so you can arrest people while participating in an event?Because it ruins the event.If you wish to play the game normally, you can just choose not to participate on that event.You aren't confined to 1 area on the entire map.It's no fucking rocket science.

Lets pretend this is an issue just to give you a point on your pointless argument.Mike could simply make it so if you want to participate in the gang war you must go off-duty, similar to how events work.If you, as a cop arrive late to the fight and specifically go after enemy crew members to arrest them, know that admins are there and will take actions accordingly.

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you still can't ignore the fact that other cops that don't associate with any gangs can't really stop 10, 20, 30 people fighting on the streets. It would completely ruin the server.
Going back to my first paragraph.Why would anyone with a healthy logic walk into a chaotic massacre knowing damn well they will die if they attempt to stop 2 clans clashing with each other?You must have a group huge enough to outnumber the clans that are currently fighting each other.If this is that big of a problem as you say, the clan wars can be scheduled to happen at a specific time so everyone knows about it ahead of the time.For example only once in a game week in order not to "ruin it" for other players.

Besides why would clans attack cops that have nothing to do with the fight?If their intention is just to say, sit back and spectate I can assure you nothing will happen to them.Clans will be so busy fighting each other that they won't even care.Like even if they go after a cop who happens to be there admins, again, are going to take action on that.

What you speak of is total nonsense and from what I'm understanding, you are comparing this server to that chaotic pile of shit crazybob still runs for whatever reason which is where you are wrong.The staff here is fair, not one sided and the owner of this server actively updates the script and listens to the community but most importantly this server isn't ran by cheaters or rule breakers so please quit making comparisons because these 2 servers have absolutely nothing in common.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2021, 12:02:08 am by nxy »

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2021, 07:42:28 am »
This is not a DM server and not a gang warfare server.
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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2021, 11:25:30 am »
Quotes my essay about gangwars and makes a paragraph about unfair admins on another server..umm okay?

If you actually bothered to read the OP's suggestion you would realize that hoods are inside the active city (they clearly can't be in the woods because no one wants to fight over a tree).
Cops that happen to be in gangs have been a problem since day 1 and it didn't magically change over night. It may not be you, but it still happens. How many gangs have suddenly disappeared? Yes rules are there, yes rules get broken, yes people get punished and people come back. Welcome to sa-mp.

You got the response from the guy you wanted to above anyway..

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2021, 12:11:59 pm »
Quotes my essay about gangwars and makes a paragraph about unfair admins on another server..umm okay?
are you literally ignoring the large wall of text i wrote just to point out my conclusion?Which by the way, is what you are implying in your post because I wasn't the one who brought this up in the first place.

If you actually bothered to read the OP's suggestion you would realize that hoods are inside the active city (they clearly can't be in the woods because no one wants to fight over a tree).
we dont necessarily have to implement exactly what someone suggests and take it for granted that it'll work.I shifted the suggestion so that it actually feels relevant.If you paid attention, I said that they should happen off the active city and by that I meant smaller areas that are actually worth fighting over.I never said that the gang wars should happen to contest a tree but rather small towns such as palomino montgomery dillimore etc.. because since they have stores and stuff it can be made so that the gang that runs the town receives a percentage of the total earnings on that very town.That way theres incentive to fight over something if thats one of your problems.And by the way, the post was edited so please quit trying to make my points irrelevant.

Cops that happen to be in gangs have been a problem since day 1 and it didn't magically change over night. It may not be you, but it still happens.
What are you even talking about?Are warrants restricted only to the players' gang?Theres a shit ton of other warrants to go after - you don't have to specifically go after your crewmates but even if you do, like i said on the post that you clearly didn't read, nothing will happen to you.You don't get kicked, you don't get blacklisted and you don't beef with anyone.It's the server rules that everyone has to obey.If you start chasing a warrant who appears to be your teammate you could either bribe them or go after them if you wish.Nothing stops you and if you are unsure about it we can literally go ahead and ask every crew leader about this and see what they have to say about this "issue".Going after your crewmates accidentally as in, chasing them on the minimap without even bothering to check who you are actually chasing with commands is absolutely allowed and I reiterate, NOTHING HAPPENS TO YOU.If the player is in a gang and purposefully goes after his own gang members?Why would anyone do that?Unless you are fucking around which still does absolutely nothing to you.
How many gangs have suddenly disappeared?
Only AC and WT have disappeared and FYI they were both disbanded cause of inactivity.I vaguely remember what happened to WT though, I think they were erased because of rule-breakers and whatnot.So thats just 2 gangs, the rest of them are still present.AC is back as 59 so that technically makes it only 1 gang thats gone.
Yes rules are there, yes rules get broken, yes people get punished and people come back. Welcome to sa-mp.
??? nice hunting sherlock
You got the response from the guy you wanted to above anyway..
I never actually stated my take on this system, I just wanted to make some valid points about it if it ever happens to get implemented.I mainly wrote because you never hesitate to write against anything thats DM related even if its just writing a bunch of bullshit, you just want it not to happen although I don't see an ACTUAL problem with the system I suggested on my previous post.

To make it clear:
Personally?I would love to see this be a thing however even if it doesnt I couldn't care any less.Playing with your friends and occasionally clashing against other crews feels really fun(of course without interfering with normal gameplay of other players).We could make an argument that this is not a deathmatch server which is exactly what mike said and that if we wanted to fight we could just jump in another server.I totally agree with that, however I don't really see an actual reason as to why this shouldnt be a thing.

Please refrain from giving your own opinions on topics like these if you have never been in a crew and if you have never participated in gangwar.Just because the only server you administrate(cb) is totally chaotic and because gangwars there happen everywhere it doesnt mean the same happens around here.If you want to give a healthy opinion on something you need to see both sides of the argument not just the "administrative" side of the argument.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2021, 03:38:09 pm by nxy »

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Re: Attack other crews hoods and defend yours.
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2021, 04:27:48 pm »
This is not a DM server and not a gang warfare server.
@Mike At least a new system to apply for crew applications in-game and crew chatrooms in the next update please  :)