Remove cop seasparrow

[cynosy]

No explanation needed, it's simply too fucking overpowered. Just remove this pile of garbage and I promise you, the server will be better. Why should we have these ''features'' in the server, it's a pain in the ass, like it was with the reloading animation. We have rustlers, we don't need any tanks or jets.

[SausageParty]

Kinda. Rustlers, SWAT Tanks are enough already to take care of groups of criminals.

+1 from me

[legend]

The current state where damage system is, its unkillable and unspeakable how annoying its to play against. Seasparrow can tank atleast 4 people shooting it together, for atleast 30 seconds.

[Cashewz]

Please remove it, for now atleast... it's literally looking at a person and holding your fire button for quick and easy meltdowns, no skill needed to use this thing.

[howl]

Please remove it, for now atleast... it's literally looking at a person and holding your fire button for quick and easy meltdowns, no skill needed to use this thing.

+1

[abeabe]

Damage of blade and gun should be nerfed by half at the very least.

It's more unhealthy and toxic to the game than OP to me.

I'd rather die 10 times in guns combat than to this.

In addition, you can upgrade it's health to 2000 which makes it even more yikes.

[Dudesdog]

+1, no explanation needed.

[typtics]

+1 Seasparrow = gay

[_.please_delete]

https://mikescnr.com/forum/index.php/topic,5739.msg26951.html#msg26951

-1

[cynosy]

https://mikescnr.com/forum/index.php/topic,5739.msg26951.html#msg26951

-1

yeah, of course you don't want it removed, because you're the degenerate who milks the shit out of the seasparrow, imbecile.

[_.please_delete]

yeah, of course you don't want it removed, because you're the degenerate who milks the shit out of the seasparrow, imbecile.

ok but it's either I have alzheimer's or my memory is bad because I don't remember asking you.

[Dudesdog]

ok but it's either I have alzheimer's or my memory is bad because I don't remember asking you.

Keep it clean boys. This is a suggestion board not the boxing rink, settle your issues ingame, not here.

Mikes gotta read through all this shit so stay on topic.

[DRAG0NFURY]

ok but it's either I have alzheimer's or my memory is bad because I don't remember asking you.

damn people who say didnt ask surely have the biggest cock they are so cool i wanna be like them 

on that note, i totally agree with the topic - i also made a similar topic back when i was active but i was confused at the time as i almost had never run into a seasparrow in other servers because they choose to keep it disabled and for a good reason.it simply ruins the experience for new players too.I remember the first time I got arrested and it was made possible by the seasparrow which hunted my car down and i simply couldnt do anything to counter it.there needs to either be a countering mechanism, lowering its stats also works or completely removing it.

[RedX]

Sesparrow is the best thing to use when cops are outnumbered. Removing it would be totally unfair for cops. And already it has been limited to rank 10 cops only. Why people want cops to be tortured? Few days back someone made a suggestion to make cops lose more on death and now this. Idk what conceptions are making you do this but cops have much more rules to follow, much lesser salary if comparing with a bank robber, and so many rivals who are ready to kill you anytime they get a chance. So why to make it more difficult for cops?

[Sasino97]

-1

• it spawns really far and it takes effort to go get it
• it's slow compared to other helis
• it's the best weapon cops have when they are strongly outnumbered
• newbie cops cannot use it

Maybe just reduce its health so it's easier to take down?

[[P]atchy[MAIN]]

We have rustlers, we don't need any tanks or jets.

OK. I think helicopters even sea sparrow too can be destroyed with only 1 shot with a sniper rifle. And yeah its only in sf and area 69 so, no op. All you'll have to do stay away from the blades and do a spray on it with bullets. Idk if it can be exploded by 1 shot... Just didn't try in single player so dunno

-1

Have a question: do you even know that the sea sparrow came by removing HUNTER?

[mrnobody]

+1 for me it doesn’t have to exist anymore.

[GtaFreak]

+1 because your vehicle goes from 2000hp to destroyed in 3 seconds.

1000hp? 1.5 seconds.

It takes literally no skill to aim it as it has a little lock on when you aim in the general direction of the vehicle.

Lower damage if possible, if not, remove.

Cops need to learn to band together.

[Parzival]

plus 1, however if y limit its usage to a really low time i.e half gameday or something, it'll be balanced.. it only fucks you up on wide roads tho, which is kinda rare, we usually stick to the inner city, many walls to dodge that shit

[Ahsoka_Tano]

How many times will you make suggestions to remove an already Nerfed thing?

Seasparrow
Requirements:
- Rank 10 police officer

Advantages:
- Can quickly disable a vehicle (without armour and on less than 700 health)
- Can fly around obstacles
- Can land on water (not much of an advantage tho)
- Can lock on targets/vehicles if targeted correctly.
- Deals a small damage to foot criminals.

Disadvantages:
- Can be damaged easily with a few weapons that give great damage to vehicles
- Can only be repaired on Airports that are far away from the Action
- Slow speed
- Need to travel a great distance to get one
- A "chance" to spawn. (either a cargobob or a seasparrow)
- No seasparrow in Los Santos
- Very small gun damage to foot criminals
- Can be outmaneuvered or outrun
- Can be flown only when the weather and wind allows it (Almost impossible to fly in bad weather)
- Cannot compete with Kamikadzes [@Hank_Montgomery]
- Vulnerable to small arms fire (sniper/deagle/assault rifles give great damage to the helicopter itself)
- Short Life Span ( Too much small arms fire and big  fuel consumptions make for frequent repair stops at the airport)

This is still not enought for you? You can literally just take one of your many fast vehicles and go away or just hide in an interior/tunnel/other place to avoid it. Most people are complaining about 1 feature which gives Police Officers a chance. You always point out on MORE COPS against 1 criminal, but nobody points out the 1 cop against LOTS of criminals that are more than willing to grape one just if you pass by him.
I liked a fight on foot of course, but not a fight where i need to fight for my life because the guy is jumping/running around using "deagle/2-shot/micro-smg switching". Sorry just no.

Not to mention Armour and Super Resistant Tires have been added, armour gives you more time to escape from the seasparrow and police officers whilst the other stops from the stingers popping your tires.

[cynosy]

Not to mention Armour and Super Resistant Tires have been added, armour gives you more time to escape from the seasparrow and police officers whilst the other stops from the stingers popping your tires.

Anyway, go ahead and try running away from a literal monster that SHREDS your car into pieces (even with that armor) in a matter of 3 seconds, come back here and tell me what you think (:

[cynosy]

OK. I think helicopters even sea sparrow too can be destroyed with only 1 shot with a sniper rifle. And yeah its only in sf and area 69 so, no op. All you'll have to do stay away from the blades and do a spray on it with bullets. Idk if it can be exploded by 1 shot... Just didn't try in single player so dunno

-1

Have a question: do you even know that the sea sparrow came by removing HUNTER?

Go ingame, take m4 and see how many clips you will waste to get that heli down )))))))

[Fateh]

+1 to the removal of sea sparrow, one instance was I was with another player, and a sea sparrow comes over us, and melts my sultan, full 1000 hp in less than 5 seconds, also the one beside me. so yeah, I support removal.

[Hank_Montgomery]

Yeah, it's one of those interesting tactics...

[Ahsoka_Tano]

Go ahead and try running away from a literal monster that SHREDS your car into pieces (even with that armor) in a matter of 3 seconds, come back here and tell me what you think (:

Already did, cities are plenty of obstacles that a helicopter pilot needs to avoid and make alternate routes.
If you aren´t one of the smart cookies then ask one of the criminals to teach you howto run away or fight it.

[Notbad]

Kinda. Rustlers, SWAT Tanks are enough already to take care of groups of criminals.

+1 from me

+1

[Masteroid]

-1
its not easy to get in LS.
Cops won't have an ace card if they are outnumbered and outskilled. After all, no one complains when its Mike's Robbers & Robbers.
Co-ordinated groups and good juking can bring a seasparrow down.

I think the seasparrow should stay as an ace card and a vehicle card. Its hard to heliblade a person who knows what he is doing and the gun damage just tickles people most of the time. The gun damage on vehicles should be reduced a bit though, that I agree with.

[denim]

+1

Cops are way to OP, Minigun is fine with Rustler. For the people saying If cops are outnumbered and the only thing left to use is Sparrow with minigun, Well mostly when they're out numbered they don't even engaged fighting most of the time, When there's too many of em One of them decides to be idiot and ruin the gameplay by shooting cars and then left. This has to go. Rustlers Should be available for them instead of Sea Sparrow

[eulogy]

+1 from grove strt

[Flyburger]

Not gonna lie it annoyed me, should decrease the output damage from the minigun. Heli-blade is fine IMO.

[Mystic]

The seasparrow is too op,it literally can destroy your car in 2 seconds and u cant even get out u just die inside the car.It is also very hard to take down.Some people say its easy to dodge it just go hide by a corner or somewhere but it can literally get through there without even getting destroyed.
+1 from me

[eulogy]

The seasparrow is too op,it literally can destroy your car in 2 seconds and u cant even get out u just die inside the car.It is also very hard to take down.Some people say its easy to dodge it just go hide by a corner or somewhere but it can literally get through there without even getting destroyed.
+1 from me

Facts

[Mike]

I cannot control the damage its gun deals - that is controlled by the game and the script has no say.

All I can do is some or all of these:
- Make it use more fuel (so you get a limited time to use it)
- Make the gun usable only for a short period of time before making it 'cool down'.
- Make weapons do more damage against it so it's easier to take down and/or give it less health to start off with.

[[P]atchy[MAIN]]

Go ingame, take m4 and see how many clips you will waste to get that heli down )))))))

So... Want to add the Hunter again? Bro, its a helicopter with a machine gun and with blades... Why you will stay alone? If you're alone, and the pilot knows how to control it, you will surely die. I wont be angry if I get killed by a sea sparrow. It's only the way to get some kills by a noob cop(me rank 9 and noob tho). This server also had Rhino, Hydra etc op things than sea sparrow. I don't even get annoyed if I get killed by someone. Yeah if we can also kill the sea sparrow like this, then ok.

@Mike no pls let it stay as before. Don't change its anything... Remember your server had Hunter then it comes

[sousage]

So... Want to add the Hunter again? Bro, its a helicopter with a machine gun and with blades... Why you will stay alone? If you're alone, and the pilot knows how to control it, you will surely die. I wont be angry if I get killed by a sea sparrow. It's only the way to get some kills by a noob cop(me rank 9 and noob tho). This server also had Rhino, Hydra etc op things than sea sparrow. I don't even get annoyed if I get killed by someone. Yeah if we can also kill the sea sparrow like this, then ok.

@Mike no pls let it stay as before. Don't change its anything... Remember your server had Hunter then it comes

are u kidding?

[Ahsoka_Tano]

@Mike go in-game, try using the seasparrow yourself and see how it feels for you.
The seasparrow already is nerfed alot, since you added SUPER ARMOUR for regular cars (not for swat vans or fbi trucks on calling  dunno why) it will be harded to destroy cars anyways, most of  them escaping, damage of the seasparrow is next to a paintball gun to foot criminals where the only thing i can do is heliblade (in most cases) which damages my helicopter and thus forcing me to head back to the airprot and repair.

I already showed all advantages and disadvantages in my first reply. A skilled criminal can easily take down the helicopter, switching between deagle/sawnoff/sniper constantly because of the poor damage it gives from its gun. Making the possibility to 1shot the pilot would just bring it down totally which was during the period of headshot/kill on rifles and sniper rifles. (yes i got sniped out of the cockpit many times).

[[P]atchy[MAIN]]

are u kidding?

Hell no, man! It's not OP as y'all thinks... Making the Sea Sparrow just like the video, will be best for everyone and nothing needed.

[RedX]

the trick to escape seasparrow is by using Bikes. In fact bikes with super resistant tires will become way too difficult to take down.
Cus to my knowledge seasparrow can't target bikes and by land force it would take too long to puncture the tires of a bike which was the easiest way to take down criminals on bikes. and bikes can easily run in such places where its almost impossible to drive a car.
So throw your Infernus and use a NRG

[Mystic]

the trick to escape seasparrow is by using Bikes. In fact bikes with super resistant tires will become way too difficult to take down.
Cus to my knowledge seasparrow can't target bikes and by land force it would take too long to puncture the tires of a bike which was the easiest way to take down criminals on bikes. and bikes can easily run in such places where its almost impossible to drive a car.
So throw your Infernus and use a NRG

Not true,even if its a bike the seasparrow  focuses on the vehicle and shoots it like hell

[RedZ]

+1000

[RedX]

Not true,even if its a bike the seasparrow  focuses on the vehicle and shoots it like hell

really? Never tried it

[El_Grando_Smokio]

+1

[SausageParty]

I cannot control the damage its gun deals - that is controlled by the game and the script has no say.

All I can do is some or all of these:
- Make it use more fuel (so you get a limited time to use it)
- Make the gun usable only for a short period of time before making it 'cool down'.
- Make weapons do more damage against it so it's easier to take down and/or give it less health to start off with.

Thats for example a very good solution

[abeabe]

I cannot control the damage its gun deals - that is controlled by the game and the script has no say.

All I can do is some or all of these:
- Make it use more fuel (so you get a limited time to use it)
- Make the gun usable only for a short period of time before making it 'cool down'.
- Make weapons do more damage against it so it's easier to take down and/or give it less health to start off with.

Yes, they can also upgrade it's health to 2k rn, It's just disgusting.

[Sasino97]

I cannot control the damage its gun deals - that is controlled by the game and the script has no say.

All I can do is some or all of these:
- Make it use more fuel (so you get a limited time to use it)
- Make the gun usable only for a short period of time before making it 'cool down'.
- Make weapons do more damage against it so it's easier to take down and/or give it less health to start off with.

I like the idea of making it use more fuel, so you have a very limited time to use it

[Parzival]

nerfed gun, nerfed health, excessive fuel usage, but still, we have those shitty blades. Get rid of that thing lol

[Mike]

nerfed gun, nerfed health, excessive fuel usage, but still, we have those shitty blades. Get rid of that thing lol

Are the seasparrow blades really any different to the other helicopters in the game?

[Parzival]

Are the seasparrow blades really any different to the other helicopters in the game?

not at all. but it's light weight makes it real easy to swing around and chop any guy, unlike any other heli in the game. Other helis are real heavy and heliblading isn't as easy as in a sparrow

[DRAG0NFURY]

- Make the gun usable only for a short period of time before making it 'cool down'.

i mean thats probably pointless if your car catches fire as soon as the gunner starts shooting you

[Fateh]

how about when the cop shoots certain bullets by sea sparrow, it overheats and the sparrow loses health too. and it needs 10-20 seconds to cool down. its too OP now, you cannot deny it.

[[P]atchy[MAIN]]

how about when the cop shoots certain bullets by sea sparrow, it overheats and the sparrow loses health too. and it needs 10-20 seconds to cool down. its too OP now, you cannot deny it.

Come on, bro. GTA SA already has many rip logics don't add more pls

[Fetu]

+1 I agree with u

[Ahsoka_Tano]

Are the seasparrow blades really any different to the other helicopters in the game?

No

Sparrow has same
News chopper is the most manuverable and same blades
Same for Maverick and police helicoptet but those blades are longer.


Just make the fuel consumption higher and everyone Will bé happy.

[Masteroid]

I cannot control the damage its gun deals - that is controlled by the game and the script has no say.

All I can do is some or all of these:
- Make it use more fuel (so you get a limited time to use it)
- Make the gun usable only for a short period of time before making it 'cool down'.
- Make weapons do more damage against it so it's easier to take down and/or give it less health to start off with.

I'll take the reduced hp and increased fuel consumption. Heli-blading is avoidable if you know what you're doing and how to juke a pilot.

[Solid]

Don't remove it. It's easily outmoverable and requires very basic tactics to be outplayed.

[Dan]

In my opinion dont remove it just make it more easier destroy, by fixing the current damage system or atleast add the RPG to be sold at ammu atleast 1 bullet per person and make it cheap

[legend]

Don't remove it. It's easily outmoverable and requires very basic tactics to be outplayed.

you cant outplay a person in seasparrow with 18 fps, it requires 1k m4 ammo to take out 1k hp, do the math yourself for 2k ammo

[GtaFreak]

so lets make it that bullets from weapons do more damage to helicopters?

[_.please_delete]

you cant outplay a person in seasparrow with 18 fps, it requires 1k m4 ammo to take out 1k hp, do the math yourself for 2k ammo

[YellowFlash]

Just take away the whole vehicle. Cops have rustlers and seasparrows, what do criminals have? vehicles and guns? how is that even fair? we have no air support when it comes to shooting back in a dog fight in the sky, remove seasparrows, and have rustlers be used by crims and cops. More fun that way, and more dog fights

[AWPerHanD]

Just take away the whole vehicle. Cops have rustlers and seasparrows, what do criminals have? vehicles and guns? how is that even fair? we have no air support when it comes to shooting back in a dog fight in the sky, remove seasparrows, and have rustlers be used by crims and cops. More fun that way, and more dog fights

Agree, make Rustler accessible by any Criminals and remove Seasparrow just like Hydra.
If a innocent civillian try to break this plane and got in he will have 5 star for breaking the plane

[Latz]

Just take away the whole vehicle. Cops have rustlers and seasparrows, what do criminals have? vehicles and guns? how is that even fair? we have no air support when it comes to shooting back in a dog fight in the sky, remove seasparrows, and have rustlers be used by crims and cops. More fun that way, and more dog fights

Rustlers are almost impossible to be used in inner cities unless you are a ghost to fly through buildings.

[howl]

Rustlers are almost impossible to be used in inner cities unless you are a ghost to fly through buildings.

not really, it takes an unique skill to just not crash around, somebody's good at it, someone's not.

[legend]

i changed my opninion on it, since players start abusing its features already.

[AllyLily]

Just take away the whole vehicle. Cops have rustlers and seasparrows, what do criminals have? vehicles and guns?

Cops are supposed to have superior equipment, they're cops and they get state funding. Especially in the GTA world, where it's Murica and cops are running amok with tanks n' stuff. People need to get that the CnR genre already puts too much power into the hands of criminals to maintain a parity that doesn't exist and barely will in the real world. With that said, the Sea Sparrow perk is easily convertible into a disadvantage. People have already laid out how this chopper can be shot out of the sky for good. I have personally tried using it on a well-organized group and it didn't end well when they got out of their vehicle and spread out across an uneven terrain while shooting at me from the ground and from rooftops. And they didn't even snipe me out of the cockpit, like others have experienced.

we have no air support when it comes to shooting back in a dog fight in the sky

Not true either. Any helicopter can be used to down any other one. All you need to do is get on top of it and squeeze its blades from above.

[cynosy]

Not true either. Any helicopter can be used to down any other one. All you need to do is get on top of it and squeeze its blades from above.

You must be really dumb lmao, this matchup is HEAVILY seasparrow favoured, it can easily maneuver due to it being lightweight and flying to a cop while being a warrant in a helicopter is already basically considered as suicide.

[Ranger]

+1 from me,

[YellowFlash]

Please refrain from commenting +1 to farm posts, if you have nothing relevant to say.

Cops are supposed to have superior equipment, they're cops and they get state funding. Especially in the GTA world, where it's Murica and cops are running amok with tanks n' stuff. People need to get that the CnR genre already puts too much power into the hands of criminals to maintain a parity that doesn't exist and barely will in the real world. With that said, the Sea Sparrow perk is easily convertible into a disadvantage. People have already laid out how this chopper can be shot out of the sky for good. I have personally tried using it on a well-organized group and it didn't end well when they got out of their vehicle and spread out across an uneven terrain while shooting at me from the ground and from rooftops. And they didn't even snipe me out of the cockpit, like others have experienced.
Not true either. Any helicopter can be used to down any other one. All you need to do is get on top of it and squeeze its blades from above.

what are you on about xD It's a game not real life. most of the things we do in this game isn't even in real life. we just need to balance the field for criminals and cops. 1 will have advantage over the other in some aspects I agree to that, but it shouldn't be land air and water??? like come on. The  only reason why cops just don't feel strong, is because they are never grouped in numbers like the criminals are, and that's there problem for not teaming up with other cops. when cops team up together and go in sets of vehicles they become strong and powerful. They have the power to disable your movements for a few seconds which is alot, and then cuff you and be unable to move if you can't unbreak the cuffs.

Give criminals a way to fight in the air with rustlers, and see how things balance out.

[Kiecoliux$]

+1 from me its so annoying

[Ahsoka_Tano]

Give criminals a way to fight in the air with rustlers, and see how things balance out.

Criminals would dominate the sky, shoot down police helicopters/Seasparrows for no reason when they are flying near them or shooting police vehicles and thats not how its supposed to work. IT should be the opposite. You are a petty thief that got a gun in his hand and used it to commit a crime to get money illegally, that is not a job. A police officer is law, making sure you are not commiting crimes is his job and he is provided a vehicle and a gun to do his job as a job benefit.

How many people are still not getting it? There is nothing to balance out, criminals cant have dominance against COPS! Only stall them out until the heat goes off, how do you think singleplayer works? The more stars you get the more stuff goes after you. Cops, swat, fbi, military with TANKS.

THIS IS  NOT A DM SERVER.

[legend]

THIS IS  NOT A DM SERVER.

adding such a overpowered thing like seasparrow. makes it a DM server.

[_.please_delete]

Just take away the whole vehicle. Cops have rustlers and seasparrows, what do criminals have? vehicles and guns? how is that even fair? we have no air support when it comes to shooting back in a dog fight in the sky, remove seasparrows, and have rustlers be used by crims and cops. More fun that way, and more dog fights

This is not a Team deathmatch server to talk in the terms of fair battles, its cops and robbers, and cops must have superior equipment.

[Jarppa]

This server had a tank hydra and hunter

Tank Hydra and Hunter were removed due to overpowerd.

Now players crying seasparrow

[legend]

This is not a Team deathmatch server to talk in the terms of fair battles, its cops and robbers, and cops must have superior equipment.

meanwhile cop skins have damage reduction built in them

[Ahsoka_Tano]

meanwhile cop skins have damage reduction built in them

Because they have kevlar vests that have better protection than the ones you normally can buy at ammunitions.

[denim]

Agreed with what's said above, Crims should have accessed to rustler. as for sea sparrow remove it :/ it's just cancerous

[Cashewz]

If the majority is against the removal of this broken laser helicopter, then add a special criminals weapon only, minigun.

kappa

[howl]

If the majority is against the removal of this broken laser helicopter, then add a special criminals weapon only, minigun.

kappa

m249*

[AllyLily]

what are you on about xD It's a game not real life. most of the things we do in this game isn't even in real life. we just need to balance the field for criminals and cops. 1 will have advantage over the other in some aspects I agree to that, but it shouldn't be land air and water??? like come on. The  only reason why cops just don't feel strong, is because they are never grouped in numbers like the criminals are, and that's there problem for not teaming up with other cops. when cops team up together and go in sets of vehicles they become strong and powerful. They have the power to disable your movements for a few seconds which is alot, and then cuff you and be unable to move if you can't unbreak the cuffs.

Give criminals a way to fight in the air with rustlers, and see how things balance out.

This isn't a TDM project, where there can be a parity in power established. This is a CnR. Criminals are by definition supposed to be weaker, but resourceful & discreet enough to escape a prolonged direct fight. Otherwise it's just team red against team blue, where team red almost always gets to attack first because of regulations regarding use of force.

How many people are still not getting it? There is nothing to balance out, criminals cant have dominance against COPS! Only stall them out until the heat goes off, how do you think singleplayer works? The more stars you get the more stuff goes after you. Cops, swat, fbi, military with TANKS.

I am not in favor of tanks, especially since singleplayer doesn't feature the kind that has the authority to shoot at the criminal, and allowing tanks here runs a huge risk of them being abused. Plus the cop AI back in singleplayer is pretty basic and even tanks can be neutralized in seconds if one knows how, so the only way the criminal can really be overwhelmed is by sheer numbers. With that said, criminals really shouldn't have dominance against cops in terms of firepower. Speed, authority to use force — anything but power. The whole point of criminality is doing crime and getting away with it — not doing crime, fighting the entire city's law enforcement as an equal, and wreaking havoc on the streets in the process. Any country that would allow that in one of its most populated regions would be a failed state. The military would be called in to deal with the rampant seditious behavior. There can be no "level playing field" in this genre. I have a nice little collection of TDM servers to share if you want to enjoy the playing field there, but CnR just isn't that.

[chuppy]

the car you can spawn and respawn now has 2000hp, you have guns, you have armor and you have legs to run and dodge the shots.

this isn't needed

[cynosy]

the car you can spawn and respawn now has 2000hp, you have guns, you have armor and you have legs to run and dodge the shots.

this isn't needed

good luck going against one, oh I forgot, you're perma stuck in cop skin so you don't obviously care

[renzy]

+1 pls remove it.

[chuppy]

good luck going against one, oh I forgot, you're perma stuck in cop skin so you don't obviously care

as i said, you can spawn and respawn cars while cops can't do that with seasparrows. You can get out of the vehicle, hide in a place where you can't get shot (behind an object) and shoot it down, cops can't do that either. You can call for armor/weapon drop and use a medkit while fighting them from the ground, they can't do any of that either.

Bottom line is, as long as you're not completely stupid to drive straight on a pole-less road your chances of winning are high.

[Matthias]

I'm on the fence on this one because it's possible I am ignorant (hence haven't voted yet).

Surely, if it is the case that police cannot shoot at / blow up cars of arrestable suspects without valid reason (i.e. needs to be a threat in someway), surely that limits the Seasparrow's usage ?

In my head the Seasparrow's / Rustler's key purpose is to shoot down airborne suspects (given lethal force is always authorised against arrestable suspects in aircraft).

Surely using the Seasparrow on an arrestable suspect requires good communication / foresight because authorised blasting on their vehicle requires prior knowledge / information about said criminal ?
Surely the Seasparrow cannot heli-blade / minigun people on foot if they are not a threat too ?

My view on this is that the Seasparrow is limited to Rank 10 police and that people with that much experience on the server playing as Law Enforcement should have a good understanding about how to use the Seasparrow properly & appropriately, otherwise they risk demotion - this itself is how the Seasparrow is 'balanced'.

Rather than having to remove the Seasparrow - wouldn't it make sense that misuse of it can easily result in a demotion to Rank 9 ?

[Hobgoblin]

+1, remove m4 from seasparrow because cop driver kill arrestable players with 2/3 stars helpless.

[howl]

Bump.

I came to this topic again to discuss about the last events that I've experienced for today's night, with fighting against @Alex184, I realized the fact that there's no absolute chance of dodging it, since it's a sparrow, there's a lower chance you can crash it comparing to heavier helicopters as Parzival stated

not at all. but it's light weight makes it real easy to swing around and chop any guy, unlike any other heli in the game. Other helis are real heavy and heliblading isn't as easy as in a sparrow

On top of that, you have a rapid firing minigun in your helicopter which melts down every single vehicle with no single problem, sure, there's still a way to win against a seasparrow (by flying a dodo along with your partner, so him and you shoots it down) but, scratch all of that, why do you even need this thing? it's self-explanatory overpowered, and just game-breaking.

Not only, it's a rapid firing gunner, but, also a light-weighted little helicopter that swings easy and crashes lightly.

[Ahsoka_Tano]

You know the pilot is a human right?
Most of the times my seasparrow is fine, yet most criminals take away my vest and health.
@Hank_Montgomery has a pretty nice but so annoying way of avoiding it 

Also for some reason the fuel consumption of the helicopter is very low, i need to refuel a bike every 20 or less minutes of driving it whilst a seasparrow lasts a whole game week.

[rogue.]

It is such a drag only by thinking you have to drop down a heli which has 2k health and fires back,also some cops pursuiting you with a sultan and making your own strategy to run is a total scam,because the pilot can destroy your armored car within seconds.If you stop and shoot 4 cops in a sultan will back up him,throwing grenades and you will just be demoralized to even touch your keyboard.Thoughts?

*Minigun>>>>Ak47/uzi/sawnoff/sniper/chainsaw/grenades/molotov

[_.please_delete]

Bump.

I came to this topic again to discuss about the last events that I've experienced for today's night, with fighting against @Alex184, I realized the fact that there's no absolute chance of dodging it, since it's a sparrow, there's a lower chance you can crash it comparing to heavier helicopters as Parzival stated

On top of that, you have a rapid firing minigun in your helicopter which melts down every single vehicle with no single problem, sure, there's still a way to win against a seasparrow (by flying a dodo along with your partner, so him and you shoots it down) but, scratch all of that, why do you even need this thing? it's self-explanatory overpowered, and just game-breaking.

Not only, it's a rapid firing gunner, but, also a light-weighted little helicopter that swings easy and crashes lightly.

  Ironic... you have been chopping everyone with news chopper and when I got the seasparrow to stop ur overkill it is "op"...

It is such a drag only by thinking you have to drop down a heli which has 2k health and fires back,also some cops pursuiting you with a sultan and making your own strategy to run is a total scam,because the pilot can destroy your armored car within seconds.If you stop and shoot 4 cops in a sultan will back up him,throwing grenades and you will just be demoralized to even touch your keyboard.Thoughts?

*Minigun>>>>Ak47/uzi/sawnoff/sniper/chainsaw/grenades/molotov

It's an M4 with weak damage not a minigun, it is only powerful against vehicles (not armored fast ones)

[rogue.]

It's an M4 with weak damage not a minigun, it is only powerful against vehicles (not armored fast ones)

Weak damage you say.Howl was using heli because we were 3vsLSPD,you used seasparrow,does it look fair?

[GiGi]

Oh boy i remember the old MCNR, literally everyone crying because back in 2019 there was HYDRA and HUNTER, oi oi oi, this is the exact same story
Hey y'know what? Why don't you guys just play the game? Cops got nerfed already

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[legend]

Oh boy i remember the old MCNR, literally everyone crying because back in 2019 there was HYDRA and HYNTER, oi oi oi, this is the exact same story
Hey y'know what? Why don't you guys just play the game? Cops got nerfed already

its 1v10 machine btw, abuse game mechanics and you will find out why

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Weak damage you say.Howl was using heli because we were 3vsLSPD,you used seasparrow,does it look fair?

I'm not sure why would u go heliblading the whole PD tho

[howl]

I'm not sure why would u go heliblading the whole PD tho

we never raided PD, there were 20 players in night time before, and whole RA were cops including some extra random ones, and all of you were after us, literally ALL OF YOU, and you were also using grenades which was pathetic.

[Azadbir Singh]

No explanation needed, it's simply too fucking overpowered. Just remove this pile of garbage and I promise you, the server will be better. Why should we have these ''features'' in the server, it's a pain in the ass, like it was with the reloading animation. We have rustlers, we don't need any tanks or jets.

+1

[Mike]

This topic is so full of off-topicness, insults, random people saying '+1' etc.... only about half (if that) of the posts in this topic are actually constructive. What a headache to read through.

So I thought I'd give an update on this..

As of the next update, the Seasparrow will now spawn with 50% health and use 4 times as much fuel. It's frustrating that I cannot simply nerf the damage output but SAMP is SAMP and doesn't let me do that in any way. Hopefully these 2 measures will allow it to still be used, but not for extended periods of time. And of course the option to repair it to 100% health or add armour will not be possible.

[Dudesdog]

Topic locked. Thank you all for participating in this discussion.